USCCB Condemns Separating Immigrant Children from Families

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HolySpirit:
I am sure that you would love it if Donald Trump appointed 350 more Judges to hear cases.
Don’t worry. Trump has rejected the idea. It’s too much to spend on human dignity.
Trust me. He would support this idea.

That would be 350 Federal Judges of his choosing that would be rubber-stamped by Congress.

He might stop laughing at his good fortune by 2020.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
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HolySpirit:
I am sure that you would love it if Donald Trump appointed 350 more Judges to hear cases.
Don’t worry. Trump has rejected the idea. It’s too much to spend on human dignity.
Trust me. He would support this idea.

That would be 350 Federal Judges of his choosing that would be rubber-stamped by Congress.

He might stop laughing at his good fortune by 2020.
Ted Cruz proposed more judges. In response Trump said “I don’t want more judges.”
 
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Augustinian:
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LeafByNiggle:
Don’t worry. Trump has rejected the idea. It’s too much to spend on human dignity.
If hundreds of judges were appointed, and they were able to adjudicate these deportations quickly, the cases would dry up as Illegals would find another loophole to use to stay.
In that case we would be no worse off than we are now. Plus, those deserving of asylum would receive asylum sooner. That sounds like a win.
Using @LeafByNiggle statistics from above of a backlog of 600,000 cases with 50,000 new cases per month, 350 is a drop in the bucket.

There is no way to adjudicate them justly.
 
Believe me. He wants his Judges. 350 Judges that he chooses who will rubber stamp his position. That would make him just as happy as he will be when he has a nice conservative vote added to SCOTUS.

Ted Cruz was talking about people who would have to go through confirmation, which is unlike your plan where they are just approved quickly.
 
That is not true. The correct phase is “up to six months,” which is a huge difference. It is the same as having a small amount of marijuana, or driving without insurance, or with a licensed suspended, all of which often results on little to no jail time, and does not mandate an on the spot arrest.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
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Augustinian:
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LeafByNiggle:
Don’t worry. Trump has rejected the idea. It’s too much to spend on human dignity.
If hundreds of judges were appointed, and they were able to adjudicate these deportations quickly, the cases would dry up as Illegals would find another loophole to use to stay.
In that case we would be no worse off than we are now. Plus, those deserving of asylum would receive asylum sooner. That sounds like a win.
Using @LeafByNiggle statistics from above of a backlog of 600,000 cases with 50,000 new cases per month, 350 is a drop in the bucket.

There is no way to adjudicate them justly.
Are you suggesting that we increase the number of immigration judges much more? Or are you suggesting everyone wait years to have their appeal heard? Or are you suggesting we halt all asylum?
 
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And…they are still going to prison because there is no other way to sentence them where they can pay for their crime. The difference is the illegal immigrant can just hop back over the border if not arrested on the spot, the U.S. citizen who commits a misdemeanor cannot.
 
Are you suggesting that we increase the number of immigration judges much more? Or are you suggesting everyone wait years to have their appeal heard? Or are you suggesting we halt all asylum?
I am suggesting that all asylum requests be done in at the embassies and consulates of foreign countries instead of on the border.

The staff at the embassy would be in better position to judge the validity of the claimed threat they are seeking asylum from. Further, the asylum applicant can apply for refuge from Germany, Italy, Korea or other nations that might have consulates nearby- if they are anxious.

The current situation just isn’t sustainable.
 
None of the above. I was responding to your plan to hire 350 judges and move them to the border.
 
And…they are still going to prison
No, the do not. The fact that you used the word “prison,” along with the omission of the critical phrase “up to” shows you are not familiar with the subject. The vast majority do not serve time. Once again, so much of this rhetoric is grounded ignorance. “Enforce the law” is nothing but a slogan if one does not know the law. The opinions here are about as valid as my opinion on quantum mechanics.
 
In response Trump said “I don’t want more judges.”
He believes due process does not require judges. Again, if an opinion from ignorance is the new norm in the misinformation age.

There is one case in which due process has not been required, that being when one is caught close to the border as one is entering, or shortly there after. In the case of families, it is simple enough to keep them together and deport them in a time frame allowed by case law.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Are you suggesting that we increase the number of immigration judges much more? Or are you suggesting everyone wait years to have their appeal heard? Or are you suggesting we halt all asylum?
I am suggesting that all asylum requests be done in at the embassies and consulates of foreign countries instead of on the border.

The staff at the embassy would be in better position to judge the validity of the claimed threat they are seeking asylum from. Further, the asylum applicant can apply for refuge from Germany, Italy, Korea or other nations that might have consulates nearby- if they are anxious.

The current situation just isn’t sustainable.
That doesn’t address the problem of what to do with those we are currently holding.
 
As much as I’d love for Trump to pack the federal judiciary, that isn’t what’s at issue. Immigration judges are appointed by the Attorney General and are part of the executive branch. Completely different ballgame from regular federal judges.
 
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