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Then you and @Ender are on the wrong thread. Posters here are not the ones that have made the determination that this practice is immoral and must be condemned. That would be the Catholic Church. I have asked close to a dozen times now to show one bishop that has spoken otherwise about this separation of children that has happened, and no one here can produce such a statement. Furthermore, the Holy Father has now joined them in condemning this practice as immoral.
Deport them all then. Who needs prisons?
The fact that refugees have crossed an arbitrary border and broken an arbitrary code that we wrote to keep people out from a land that God has temporarily loaned to us does not excuse us from seeing their need and reacting to that need according to the principles of our Church.
Yet again you conflate the political opinions of several bishops with the doctrines of the church, and since this seems so obvious to you, perhaps you can explain what it is that makes this practice immoral.
Good observation. In fact the numbers I cited were from July, 2014 to May, 2015. If 92% of asylum requests were rejected even under the Obama administration what reason is there to believe the requests are any more valid now?
That’s a long document. If you think there is something in there that is pertinent to this discussion then extract it for us. Don’t just point to the document as if its relevant parts are obvious.
So you are an Open Border advocate? If border are arbitrary and government has no right to enforce them, firing the border guards and customs agents at the docks and airports, replacing them with greeters to welcome any and all visitors would save a lot of money. Someone standing at the border announcing to the people filing past, “Welcome to America, I love you” commands a lot smaller salary than trained law enforcement.
Please! This straw man has been trotted out so many times that most of the straw has fallen out.LeafByNiggle:
So you are an Open Border advocate? If border are arbitrary and government has no right to enforce them, firing the border guards and customs agents at the docks and airports, replacing them with greeters to welcome any and all visitors would save a lot of money. Someone standing at the border announcing to the people filing past, “Welcome to America, I love you” commands a lot smaller salary than trained law enforcement.
You are the one who said the border is arbitrary and the rules are arbitrary- not I.
Indeed, there are significant problems facing the migrants, but that is only part of the problem, and focusing solely on that is inadequate. There are also significant problems facing this country caused by those very migrants, and no solution that simply ignores those problems can be considered valid. This is my objection to the comments of the various bishops: they speak as if the only valid concerns were those of the illegals. That is assuredly untrue.
The bishops speak about our obligation to the refugees because they see those obligations being largely ignored. They have spoken to other societal problems as well. Your assertion that bishops speak only of obligations toward the refugees is assuredly untrue.Mi_Rose:
Indeed, there are significant problems facing the migrants, but that is only part of the problem, and focusing solely on that is inadequate. There are also significant problems facing this country caused by those very migrants, and no solution that simply ignores those problems can be considered valid. This is my objection to the comments of the various bishops: they speak as if the only valid concerns were those of the illegals. That is assuredly untrue.
Please explain how this attitude fits in with the Catholic view of immigration. (Also say which post you were responding to. There is no indication.)
The terms “refugee”, “asylum seeker” and “immigrant” all mean different things, they are 3 different situation which pose different problems for the state.
You cannot legitimately talk about the solution to one problem by ignoring how that solution impacts other valid concerns. It is not merely the welfare of the immigrants that is at issue here, and there is no justification for focusing solely on one concern as if there were no other considerations. Nor are the bishops comments on “other societal problems” in any way relevant here. What is assuredly untrue is the idea that the only concerns here are the problems of the migrants.