They are all “strangers in need” and as such they are all subject to the teaching of the Church on this issue.LeafByNiggle:
The terms “refugee”, “asylum seeker” and “immigrant” all mean different things, they are 3 different situation which pose different problems for the state.
Lumping them all together, voluntary migrants with those which are presumed to be involuntary just confuses the situation.
The bishops are not doing that. They are not talking about solutions to the problem of refugees showing up on our doorstep. They are just pointing out that the problem is not being handled according to the gospel message.LeafByNiggle:
You cannot legitimately talk about the solution to one problem by ignoring how that solution impacts other valid concerns.
Yes, we all have concerns. The Samaritan on the road to Jericho had concerns too. He ended up much poorer having spent all he did on the man beaten by robbers. But the victim on the road was clearly worse off then him.
There is a bad situation at the border, and the bishops have focused solely on one aspect of the overall problem. It is easy to condemn conditions as harsh, and a particular solution as unjust when one is free to ignore what is actually possible.
Yes, more heart tugging tales that offer nothing in the way of a practical solution, and that, yet again, simply ignore the real issue that led to this practice in the first place: we have lost control of our border.
Yet again, you did not post any bishop that has said this action , this removal by force of children from their parents for being in our country, is anything but immoral, or that it is is a matter of opinion that Catholics may disagree on. I asked for this from the first release of Cardinal Dinardo’s statement. I will not answer while I remain unanswered, and feed into that sort of misdirection.
There is a reason that Jesus used those “heart tugging” parables in his teaching. He was calling upon his listeners to recognize the law that was “written into our hearts” by God. That’s why they tug as they do.
You talked to all of them, did you, and know this, as opposed to them just wanting not to be dead.
That is great! But that ministry could not exist if those refugees were not first allowed into the country.
Nor did Jesus try to help “everybody.” There were many lepers at that time, but Jesus cured only a few. There were many people who sadly lost a child, but Jesus raised only a few. But I don’t recall Jesus ever saying to someone appealing directly to him “Go away. I am tired. I have cured enough people today.”
Absolutely. This is why we have to start with that which we simply cannot do. We cannot simply open our borders to the point we have no border. That is one thing we cannot morally do for the safety of citizens. We cannot separate children from the parents like we are doing, which is something we cannot morally do. If we are going to have any progress we have to start, at minimum by ceasing this defense of the indefensible.
This in response to the Good Samaritan? I guess if one can blow off Jesus, blowing off the bishops is not such a big deal.
People will complain about that too. Keeping the children together with their parents in the penitentiary has downsides too. The language and actions of the other convicts is something that a lot of people think children shouldn’t be exposed to. I guess it might scare some of them straight.
I have pointed out before that you have the significance of these statements backwards: they don’t have meaning unless they are contradicted by another bishop, they have meaning solely if they are expressly approved of by another bishop, and then only in his diocese.
I don’t need to cite one bishop to support opposition to the comments of another one; I am free to do that on my own.
DIsmiss all claims for asylum made at the border.
Actually this was in response to a comment that, like yours, is completely irrelevant to the problem. Yet again there is absolutely no recognition of the nature of the actual problem we face. Tales that have no bearing whatever on the issue really provide little in the way of solutions.