This is simply not true… The US is at full employment due to better than a decade of economic growth and job growth. The US carries massive amounts of debt… we need more tax payers. The migrant workers are not taking anyone’s jobs or hurting the lower class. They are coming to America for a better life, the way almost all Americans came to this country.
It is true that the Vatican does not weigh in on resolutions of this sort. That said, there are actions taken by the USCCB that do require approval by the Vatican; it depends on the type of issue.
This is not accurate. Abortion and gay marriage are in fact moral evils; those issues are not under debate. Building a wall, and incarcerating illegals are not necessarily evil, the debate about them is prudential, and opposite positions may be legitimately held. This is not true of actions that are intrinsically evil.
That unemployment levels are low ignores the fact that those who have stopped looking for employment are not included in those figures.
This is not accurate either. A surplus of labor for low end jobs lowers the wage that is paid for those jobs. Talk to someone who works in the building trades; you will see the wage impact illegals have had. I recently had some tile work done in my house. The worker (a US citizen) said that because of the number of people who do tile work, he receives about 1/3 what he used to be paid for the same job.
Yes, I am aware of real unemployment verses the unemployment numbers that are reported…doesn’t change the fact that unemployment is at a low and the nation is considered to be at full employment.
Understand: this issue is not about immigration per se, but about the treatment of illegal immigrants. Even if everything you claim about immigration is true it doesn’t address the problem of what to do with illegals. These are two very different concerns.
Fair enough… I personally do not believe we have a problem with too many people coming in to the country. Instead, I believe the problem is that we do not have a system to process them; which is crazy considering the technology that exists and the enormous wealth in America.
America does have a system to process people entering the country. The problem right now are the high numbers of people claiming “asylum status”. Most of the people claiming the status- like 90%- really don’t qualify, but it takes time to adjudicate each one. If the people are released pending their hearing- they tend not to be seen again. Yet, if they are incarcerated- they have to be separated from the children.
Fully agree… I think the current system is inadequate… need a better, faster process
Apparently Jeff Sessions thinks that family separation for the purpose of setting an example and acting as a deterrent is an adequate reason. Most people who possess a human heart would disagree with that assessment.
Pnewton was careful to say “the legalization of…”. While it is true that gay marriage is a moral evil and not up for debate, the legalization of gay marriage is up for debate, just like the legalization of prostitution and the legalization of homosexual acts.
They do not qualify because the administration has decided to set the standard arbitrarily high to ensure they do not qualify.godisgood77:
America does have a system to process people entering the country. The problem right now are the high numbers of people claiming “asylum status”. Most of the people claiming the status- like 90%- really don’t qualify, but it takes time to adjudicate each one. If the people are released pending their hearing- they tend not to be seen again. Yet, if they are incarcerated- they have to be separated from the children.
Its really up to Congress to streamline the system and write regulations to expedite the case through the system in hours and not months.
Not my understanding, the qualifications for asylum status are listed in the statute, and the vast majority were being denied in the previous administration as well.
apparently failing to do it has caused human trafficking as part of this particular illegal immigration. Most people with a human heart would think that is a lot worse than some 16-year-old who knows what’s going to happen being separated from his parents temporarily.
Not “caused.” At most, “allowed.” But then we “allow” human trafficking all over the world.LeafByNiggle:
apparently failing to do it has caused human trafficking as part of this particular illegal immigration.
There are many tragedies that happen in our world. We are accountable for the ones we cause, not the ones that other people cause.
See above.
Letting the people go is an enticement for more to come. Traffickers spread the word and more people come. That encourages the rape of women and molestation of children. One doubts their “coyotes” tell them that when they take their life savings and put them on top of trains to the U.S. But that’s what happens far, far too much. Among politicians, some know it but just don’t care.
Letting them go is not the only option. The other option is immediate deportation as a unit. If that is against the law, change the law.LeafByNiggle:
Letting the people go is an enticement for more to come.
That is against the law, but Congress refuses to change it. If the adults make a claim for Asylum Status, after being pinched at the border, the case must be adjudicated before the people can be 86’ed.
The U.S. cannot return Central Americans to Mexico. They have to be taken to their countries of origin, all thousands of them. But while they claim asylum they can’t be sent back until they have a hearing.
Even passing DACA is a problem. Both sides are in general agreement that Illegal Aliens brought here as children who have kept their noses clean should be allowed to stay. But the definition of “keeping your nose clean” is debatable as to which youthful Illegals have crossed the line. And whether they should be allowed to sponsor others to stay, should they choose to stay.
While it is true that the legalization of gay marriage is being debated by society, it is not debated within the church. Because it is a grave, intrinsic evil its legalization is immoral. None of this is true regarding the discussions surrounding illegal immigration. On that topic, unlike gay marriage, opposing positions can be legitimately held. Gay marriage is inherently immoral. A “zero tolerance” policy is not, and the opinions of various bishops does not make it so.