USCCB Urges Catholics to Lobby on Behalf of Anti-Poverty Programs

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Followers of Jesus do not seek riches and glory in this world. Reminding you that Jesus loves the poor and we are not to seek money but God.

this is a capitalistic mindset that has destroyed the Faith and seek to banish God from our lives.
 
So you think these two bishops went “rogue”, because this statement represents the USCCB as a whole not the opinion of two of its members.
Whether the opinions expressed in this statement are those of the USCCB or of the two bishops who signed it is irrelevant as in neither case can it be said to represent the Church.
Also the statement contains zero political opinions, if you see any that says more about the reader than the USCCB.
I don’t think a claim of “zero political opinions” can be sustained in light of statements like this:
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“it would be wrong to balance future budgets by hurting those who already hurt the most by cutting programs such as foreign aid, affordable housing programs, child nutrition, or health care.”*

Calling for foreign aid not to be cut is undeniably the expression of a political opinion.
I see no political statement in the letter, all I see is bishops fulfilling their duty to give moral guidance in full accordance with the Catholic Church.
Show me the Church teaching on foreign aid and I might agree with you.

Ender
 
Whether the opinions expressed in this statement are those of the USCCB or of the two bishops who signed it is irrelevant as in neither case can it be said to represent the Church.
I don’t think a claim of “zero political opinions” can be sustained in light of statements like this:
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“it would be wrong to balance future budgets by hurting those who already hurt the most by cutting programs such as foreign aid, affordable housing programs, child nutrition, or health care.”*

Calling for foreign aid not to be cut is undeniably the expression of a political opinion.
Show me the Church teaching on foreign aid and I might agree with you.

Ender
Our Government spends plenty in trying to help the spread of democracy in the world, why complain about the so called,in comparison,pittance we contribute to world poverty.:rolleyes: Peace, Carlan
 
Our Government spends plenty in trying to help the spread of democracy in the world, why complain about the so called,in comparison,pittance we contribute to world poverty.
I didn’t complain about it. I didn’t even say I disagreed with it. What I said was that the document expressed the political opinions of its authors, not the moral teaching of the Church.

Ender
 
Calling for foreign aid not to be cut is undeniably the expression of a political opinion.
Show me the Church teaching on foreign aid and I might agree with you.
You think a call for developed nations to contribute a large portion their gross domestic to poorer nations is incompatible with Catholicism?
 
I would (a) question whether government is the best place to accomplish this and (b) question how government will even be ABLE to accomplish this when (not “if,” the way we are going…) it becomes entirely insolvent, like Greece…

That notwithstanding, how about FIRST urging Catholics to vote PRO-LIFE? Once we can get abortion “off the table” by voting out the politicians who hide their pro-abortion views behind economic policies that seem well-meaning (even if not all that effective), THEN we can go back to discussing what government economic policies would best help the poor.

Just my :twocents: anyhow…
Perhaps the Bishops, know it is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time or perhaps they acknowledge the link between poverty and abortion? At any length, they seem to be saying, quite rightly that care for the poor is to be a priority consideration in formulating government policy, particularly in one of the world’s richest countries…
 
Our Government spends plenty in trying to help the spread of democracy in the world, why complain about the so called,in comparison,pittance we contribute to world poverty.:rolleyes: Peace, Carlan
Maybe because democracy doesn’t fill stomachs or save lives?
Maybe because the interdependence of global economies, renders our responsibilities to poorer nations analogous to the responsibilities of the wealthy in our population to the less well off.
Maybe because supporting human life by enabling people to eat, drink and be healthy is a matter of ***morality ***and human dignity, not simply of political ideolgoy.
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Maybe because the Church is aware of the great injustices involved in global trade and the global economy (meaning that a handful of nations benefit vastly more monetarily from the world, than they donate to it).
 
Maybe because democracy doesn’t fill stomachs or save lives?
Maybe because the interdependence of global economies, renders our responsibilities to poorer nations analogous to the responsibilities of the wealthy in our population to the less well off.
Maybe because supporting human life by enabling people to eat, drink and be healthy is a matter of ***morality ***and human dignity, not simply of political ideolgoy.
OR
Maybe because the Church is aware of the great injustices involved in global trade and the global economy (meaning that a handful of nations benefit vastly more monetarily from the world, than they donate to it).
Why wasn’t the USCCB this concerned when contributions from Catholic parishes were being given to lefist groups that support such things as contraception and abortion instead of actually helping the less fortunate? How are Catholics guaranteed that such scandals will not happen again when the USCCB is putting faith in government programs?
 
Why wasn’t the USCCB this concerned when contributions from Catholic parishes were being given to lefist groups that support such things as contraception and abortion instead of actually helping the less fortunate? How are Catholics guaranteed that such scandals will not happen again when the USCCB is putting faith in government programs?
Why must everything be decided based on abortion? If people were starving in China would you refuse to help based on their abortion policy? There are no guarantees that your banker/broker, your mechanic or local grocery chain do not support groups which promote abortion? Are you prepared to find out and change banks/investment firms/auto shops/supermarkets? Add to that utility companies, other local businesses, neighbors and coworkers? If you’re going to require guarantees (didn’t know real life included those) of the Church, then walk the walk.
 
Why must everything be decided based on abortion? If people were starving in China would you refuse to help based on their abortion policy? There are no guarantees that your banker/broker, your mechanic or local grocery chain do not support groups which promote abortion? Are you prepared to find out and change banks/investment firms/auto shops/supermarkets? Add to that utility companies, other local businesses, neighbors and coworkers? If you’re going to require guarantees (didn’t know real life included those) of the Church, then walk the walk.
What are you talking about? Catholic’s contributions were going to fund organizations known to promote practices opposed to Catholic teaching and the USCCB let it happen!
Walk the walk indeed!
 
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Calling for foreign aid not to be cut is undeniably the expression of a political opinion.
Show me the Church teaching on foreign aid and I might agree with you.
Me: You think a call for developed nations to contribute a large portion their gross domestic to poorer nations is incompatible with Catholicism?
Still wondering about this …
 
What are you talking about? Catholic’s contributions were going to fund organizations known to promote practices opposed to Catholic teaching and the USCCB let it happen!
Walk the walk indeed!
I was trying to apply your reasoning to your own life but we could try discussing the specific details of your accusations against the USCCB, though I fail to see how that absolves us as a society from our obligation to the poor.
 
I was trying to apply your reasoning to your own life but we could try discussing the specific details of your accusations against the USCCB, though I fail to see how that absolves us as a society from our obligation to the poor.
My accusations? You can Google it yourself. The information is there.

We have an obligation as invidual Catholics to help the poor. We are also not to let our one hand know what the other is doing when we give, says our Lord.
 
My accusations? You can Google it yourself. The information is there.

We have an obligation as invidual Catholics to help the poor. We are also not to let our one hand know what the other is doing when we give, says our Lord.
They remain accusations unless supported with evidence. If you are going to provide one, it is only fair to provide the other. What if I can’t Google it?
 
My accusations? You can Google it yourself. The information is there.

We have an obligation as invidual Catholics to help the poor. We are also not to let our one hand know what the other is doing when we give, says our Lord.
The Church has an a preferential option for the poor, and it includes giving moral guidance to individuals, societies and nations on making sure we do everything possible to help them.

The Church doesn’t restrict itself to “personal obligations for Catholics”, it never has.
 
Maybe because democracy doesn’t fill stomachs or save lives?
Maybe because the interdependence of global economies, renders our responsibilities to poorer nations analogous to the responsibilities of the wealthy in our population to the less well off.
Maybe because supporting human life by enabling people to eat, drink and be healthy is a matter of ***morality ***and human dignity, not simply of political ideolgoy.
OR
Maybe because the Church is aware of the great injustices involved in global trade and the global economy (meaning that a handful of nations benefit vastly more monetarily from the world, than they donate to it).
The government is spending billions of dollars in this overated technology. this makes people unemployed and poor. Stop the madness of technology and things will get better for most people.
 
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