Using shalom instead of peace be with you?

[cemiller]

One of our local Priests likes to get everyone to say Shalom during the Sign of Peace. Is that ok? He also tries to get everyone to hold hands, even moving out into the center aisle to hold hands with the other row of pews. I’m almost certain that is not correct either, but I’m just trying to be sure of all this. Thank you for any responses

 

[Paul2274]

:banghead: UGH!

 

[Equites_Christi]

Maybe you should ask your priest why he wants to be such a hipster?

Just kidding, but this sounds very trendy and inappropriate.

 

[Cristiano]

Maybe you should ask your priest why he wants to be such a hipster?

Just kidding, but this sounds very trendy and inappropriate.

Why do you say that? Didn’t Jesus say shalom aleichem? Holding hands is a different story because it is not just using another language, but I am not going on that topic.

 

[GEddie]

Why do you say that? Didn’t Jesus say shalom aleichem? Holding hands is a different story because it is not just using another language, but I am not going on that topic.

A priest I trust says that our LORD normally spoke Aramaic rather than Hebrew; so the word would have been “Salaam”.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Pfaffenhoffen]

One of our local Priests likes to get everyone to say Shalom during the Sign of Peace. Is that ok? He also tries to get everyone to hold hands, even moving out into the center aisle to hold hands with the other row of pews. I’m almost certain that is not correct either, but I’m just trying to be sure of all this. Thank you for any responses

Shalom is hebrew.
Kyrie Eleison is greek.
Amen is hebrew
Aleluia is hebrew
Mass is latin.

And much more. So what?

 

[Cristiano]

Shalom is hebrew.
Kyrie Eleison is greek.
Amen is hebrew
Aleluia is hebrew
Mass is latin.

And much more. So what?

Mass is not Latin, in Latin it is Missa

 

[gigi4747]

I might nod or give a little wave to the people around me (because people look at you expectantly during the Sign of Peace), but I don’t actually say anything. imo our attention shouldn’t be directed away from the altar once the Consecration has taken place. The turning to your neighbors thing must be a Vatican 2 add-on; it doesn’t exist in the Extraordinary Form (ie, Latin) Mass. Actually, once the priest says, “Peace be with you,” and we have responded, “And with your spirit,” I kneel down. I believe that the proper prayer posture for supplication is kneeling (again, as is done during the Agnus Dei in the EF Mass), so it makes sense that when we’re asking God to have mercy on us and grant us peace, we should be on our knees.

Part of the reason I went to a Latin Mass parish for a long time was that, even during the Ordinary Form Masses, the priest omitted the Sign of Peace. I make a point of smiling/saying hello to people before and after the Mass to the extent that I can because I don’t want to appear unfriendly, but - I do what I can to avoid shaking people’s hands during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Mass is not Latin, in Latin it is Missa

And a more universal term for it is Liturgy, which came from Greek.

 

[malphono]

A priest I trust says that our LORD normally spoke Aramaic rather than Hebrew; so the word would have been “Salaam”.

ICXC NIKA

The priest is correct but the word is not. That word is Arabic. In the “Palestinian Jewish” dialect – as well as in East Syriac (Chaldean-Assyrian) dialect – of Aramaic, the word is shlama.

 

[Phemie]

I might nod or give a little wave to the people around me (because people look at you expectantly during the Sign of Peace), but I don’t actually say anything. imo our attention shouldn’t be directed away from the altar once the Consecration has taken place. The turning to your neighbors thing must be a Vatican 2 add-on; it doesn’t exist in the Latin Mass. Actually, once the priest says, “Peace be with you,” and we have responded, “And with your spirit,” I kneel down. Again, in the Latin Mass, people are kneeling for the Agnus Dei. As far as I know, the proper prayer posture for supplication is kneeling, so it makes sense that when we’re asking God for mercy and to grant us peace, we should be on our knees.

Part of the reason I went to a Latin Mass parish for a long time was that, even during the Ordinary Form Masses, the priest omitted the Sign of Peace. I make a point of smiling/saying hello to people before and after the Mass to the extent that I can because I don’t want to appear unfriendly, but - I do what I can to avoid shaking people’s hands during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

In the Ordinary Form, if we kneel after the Lord’s Prayer, it’s after the Agnus Dei, at the point where the priest says “Behold the Lamb of God…those called to the supper of the Lamb.” The universal GIRM calls for standing at this point but the US adaptation is to kneel unless your Bishop calls for standing in your diocese.

In Canada, we follow the universal GIRM on postures during Mass: kneel from the beginning of the Epiclesis to the Mysterium Fidei and stand at all other times, although parishes that have always knelt for the entire Eucharistic Prayer and from right after the Lamb of God to Communion are free to do so.

I have no problem with the Sign of Peace as long as people remain in their pews and don’t go walkabout at that point. I figure people much more versed in how Mass should be than I were the ones who brought back the Sign of Peace for the congregation and the least I can do is comply with what the Church asks us to do. I don’t miss this ritual if the priest decides to forgo it, mainly because it does lend itself ‘abuse’ and people tend to think of it as a ‘hello, how are you?’ moment rather than a ritual moment. For some reason the priest who’s looking after us now chooses this moment to ask us to pray for peace in Iraq & Syria rather than share a sign of peace. Somehow he seems to miss the point of this ritual – and of the prayers of the faithful.

 

[LoyalViews]

:banghead: UGH!

:banghead:I KNOW!

 

[agnes_therese]

What is ALWAYS permissible is to consult the GIRM:

(emphasis added by me)
#154: “The Priest may give the Sign of Peace to the ministers but always remain within the sanctuary so that the celebration is not disrupted. In the Dioceses of the United States of America, for a good reason, on special occasions (for example, in the case of a funeral, a wedding, or when civic leaders are present), the Priest may offer the Sign of Peace to a small number of the faithful near the sanctuary. According to what is decided by the Conference of Bishops, all express to one another peace, communion, and charity. While the Sign of Peace is being given, it is permissible to say, The peace of the Lord be with you always, to which the reply is Amen.”

One of our local Priests likes to get everyone to say Shalom during the Sign of Peace. Is that ok? He also tries to get everyone to hold hands, even moving out into the center aisle to hold hands with the other row of pews. I’m almost certain that is not correct either, but I’m just trying to be sure of all this. Thank you for any responses

 

[cemiller]

What is ALWAYS permissible is to consult the GIRM:

(emphasis added by me)
#154: “The Priest may give the Sign of Peace to the ministers but always remain within the sanctuary so that the celebration is not disrupted. In the Dioceses of the United States of America, for a good reason, on special occasions (for example, in the case of a funeral, a wedding, or when civic leaders are present), the Priest may offer the Sign of Peace to a small number of the faithful near the sanctuary. According to what is decided by the Conference of Bishops, all express to one another peace, communion, and charity. While the Sign of Peace is being given, it is permissible to say, The peace of the Lord be with you always, to which the reply is Amen.”

Thank you! This is the type of concrete answer I was looking for! I don’t suppose you’d know where to find the part about the proper stance during the Our Father, particularly it not containing the part about holding hands? I would like to approach Father about it, but I want to have something to show him, and not just an opinion that what he is doing isn’t right…

 

[agnes_therese]

Unfortunately (that’s my personal opinion only, of course), nothing is mentioned one way or the other about holding hands. On the plus side, that does mean that it’s not required that we hold hands.

Thank you! This is the type of concrete answer I was looking for! I don’t suppose you’d know where to find the part about the proper stance during the Our Father, particularly it not containing the part about holding hands? I would like to approach Father about it, but I want to have something to show him, and not just an opinion that what he is doing isn’t right…

 

[InspiritCarol]

I want to hear why the priest is doing this.
It really bothers me that someone is coming here before *talking *to the priest.

This type of thing spreads gossip and sedition.
We’re, after all, not hearing REMOTELY what is going on with the priest yet forming conclusions and accusations based on smoke and hot air.

agnes therese’s reply is helpful.

Take that to the priest and see what he says.

 

[Phemie]

Thank you! This is the type of concrete answer I was looking for! I don’t suppose you’d know where to find the part about the proper stance during the Our Father, particularly it not containing the part about holding hands? I would like to approach Father about it, but I want to have something to show him, and not just an opinion that what he is doing isn’t right…

Unfortunately, there’s no official document on hand holding during the ‘Our Father’.

Another look at the GIRM shows us this - emphasis mine:

The Rite of Peace
82. The Rite of Peace follows, by which the Church asks for peace and unity for herself and for the whole human family, and the faithful express to each other their ecclesial communion and mutual charity before communicating in the Sacrament.

 As for the sign of peace to be given,** the manner is to be established by Conferences of Bishops** in accordance with the culture and customs of the  peoples.  **It is, however, appropriate that each person offer the sign of peace  only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner.**

 

[hilde_the_dog]

Am I wrong but is not “holding hands during the Our Father” a banned topic to be avoided.

Or inspirecarrol its good for people to research their opinions to see if they confirm to church teaching before they talk to a priest.

 

[InspiritCarol]

Or inspirecarrol its good for people to research their opinions to see if they confirm to church teaching before they talk to a priest.

Yes, and no. By not talking to the priest to begin with, one has already assumed a confrontational attitude.

It’s not like you don’t see the guy every week, or every day in some cases. Feel him out first, if he still seems wackadoo, *then *check here.

Matthew 18:15-17, tells us to go to the person first; going to “the Church” is the last recourse.

He’s doing this backward, and it’s inciting hatred and needless criticism.

((I think most of us are over the whole hand holding thing, BTW )
Ah, these poor pastors have such hard jobs; the negativity should be reigned in as much as possible. Yes?

 

[EcceAgnusDei]

Yes, and no. By not talking to the priest to begin with, one has already assumed a confrontational attitude.

I find it useful to do research (reading, talking to people, etc) before meeting with my priest. I don’t think that’s confrontational; I think that’s just having an informed discussion.

Matthew 18:15-17, tells us to go to the person first; going to “the Church” is the last recourse.

Whoa! When did CAF become “the Church”?

He’s doing this backward, and it’s inciting hatred and needless criticism.

Where’s the hatred?

Ah, these poor pastors have such hard jobs; the negativity should be reigned in as much as possible. Yes?

Yes, they have hard jobs and they are overworked and stretched thin and we should for them daily (and for more vocations so that they aren’t stretched any further).

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