Vaccines from aborted babies!

[AveMaria12]

I’ve recently stumbled on this site: cogforlife.org/vaccineList.pdf
If you look further into other more, it just gets more and more convincing that some of our vaccines are made using aborted infants!

I’ve showed it to a priest and he also says that it is true and very sad.

:crying:

 

[Swiss_Guy]

the question then becomes should we get vaccinated for those things ?

 

[Rence]

I’ve recently stumbled on this site: cogforlife.org/vaccineList.pdf
If you look further into other more, it just gets more and more convincing that some of our vaccines are made using aborted infants!

I’ve showed it to a priest and he also says that it is true and very sad.

:crying:

The Vatican responded to this:
cogforlife.org/vaticanresponse.pdf

In a nutshell, if there is an alternative vaccine available, you should try your best to get that alternative vaccine. If there is no alternative, yes, your children, your pregnant women, and you can have the vaccine, but also petitition for an acceptable alternative to be prepared in the meantime.

To summarize, it must be confirmed that:

-there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems;

• as regards the vaccines without an alternative, the need to contest so that others may be prepared must be reaffirmed, as should be the lawfulness of using the former in the meantimeown children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole - especially for pregnant women;

• the lawfulness of the use of these vaccines should not be misinterpreted as a declaration of the lawfulness of their production, marketing and use, but is to be understood as being a passive material cooperation and, in its mildest and remotest sense, also active, morally justified as an extrema ratio due to the necessity to provide for the good of one’s children and of the people who come in contact with the children (pregnant women);

• such cooperation occurs in a context of moral coercion of the conscience of parents, who are forced to choose to act against their conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the population as a whole at risk. This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible.

 

[midori]

Yeah… I scrambled all over the place looking for a clean rubella shot, or just getting the measles and mumps by themselves without the rubella vaccine, but no luck. I want to say that the rubella vaccine in Japan is cultivated with rabbit cells? But no luck getting it in the US. Clean versions existed in the past, but are no longer manufactured. I wanted to use my $$ to support the ethical versions of the vaccines, but Merck no longer produced them. I ultimately ended up getting the MMR, but I was really disappointed I wasn’t able to purchase the version I wanted to support.

I have held off on the chicken pox vaccine because it’s not available in a clean form yet. It’s important to develop an immunity to chicken pox when you’re still young, but I’m okay with DS1 getting it naturally when he’s a little older.

 

[dplunkt]

This is the first I have ever heard of this and I think the best response to this is to make this as public as possible. If people new that aborted babies were creating profit for drug companies then they would find alternatives.

 

[Filippo_Bruno]

Nothing in these vaccines being administered today was ever from an aborted fetus.

What does it mean when we say that these products are made in “descendent cells”?

Descendent cells are the medium in which these vaccines are prepared. The cell lines under consideration were begun using cells taken from one or more fetuses aborted almost 40 years ago. Since that time the cell lines have grown independently. It is important to note that descendent cells are not the cells of the aborted child. They never, themselves, formed a part of the victim’s body.

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It should be obvious that vaccine use in these cases does not contribute directly to the practice of abortion since the reasons for having an abortion are not related to vaccine preparation.

ncbcenter.org/Page.aspx?pid=434#2

Abortion could be completely banned tomorrow, worldwide, and it would not affect the pharmaceutical companies one iota.

 

[maryjk]

This something most Catholics know. If you note, the Vatican statement is from 2005. In fact, at the Parenting and the Family Life forum, it had been a banned topic for years.

Keep it clean guys or I am betting you will be shut down.

 

[AveMaria12]

This something most Catholics know. If you note, the Vatican statement is from 2005. In fact, at the Parenting and the Family Life forum, it had been a banned topic for years.

Keep it clean guys or I am betting you will be shut down.

I’m a bit ignorant…why did they ban it in that forum? How do we keep it clean?

 

[AveMaria12]

This is the first I have ever heard of this and I think the best response to this is to make this as public as possible. If people new that aborted babies were creating profit for drug companies then they would find alternatives.

I agree. By pressing companies, we’d eventually have good vaccines.

 

[maryjk]

I’m a bit ignorant…why did they ban it in that forum? How do we keep it clean?

Be polite. Don’t assume you know what is in a persons heart. No name calling.

Vaccines are a hotly debate topic. It doesn’t matter if you are on a Catholic forum or on the playground. People feel very strongly about their choices.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Nothing in these vaccines being administered today was ever from an aborted fetus.

ncbcenter.org/Page.aspx?pid=434#2

Abortion could be completely banned tomorrow, worldwide, and it would not affect the pharmaceutical companies one iota.

But as previously discussed, it’s the Evil Principal of having been BASED, FOUNDED on Human Fetii cells. ABHORRANT. Would you buy, use Food or any products DERIVED From even One Cadaver Cell? I would Not. It’s a Public Scandal of gravest Immorality:
There are Flavor Enhancers in several major foods, Based on Derived from Fetti Cells.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

See related Threads on Catholic Answers Forumn, from which this WEB seems to be derived, perhaps improperly. No Edit/Correction here.

 

[Dan_Daly]

Vaccines are a hotly debate topic. It doesn’t matter if you are on a Catholic forum or on the playground. People feel very strongly about their choices.

If we limit discussion to topics that aren’t hotly debated, this would be a pretty unCatholic, Catholic forum. No one has ever been more of a lightening rod than Christ.

I agree that all discussion should be done with charity, but we should not fall into the trap of forgetting that “admonish sinners” is a work of charity- as taught by the Catholic Church. We should seek to avoid hurt feelings in forum debate as much as possible. Even more so, we should seek to save souls and lives (such as unborn children).

Vaccines in particular is an issue, that needs MORE discussion, not less. Many people have no idea what it is they are putting into their and their children’s bodies. I lived in ignorance on this issue for a long time. Just as many people have no idea “the pill” is an abortifacient. The first step to helping others live in the Truth, is helping them to know what the Truth is.

Pax and God Bless.

 

[maryjk]

And so it begins. This might be fun.

 

[AveMaria12]

Be polite. Don’t assume you know what is in a persons heart. No name calling.

Vaccines are a hotly debate topic. It doesn’t matter if you are on a Catholic forum or on the playground. People feel very strongly about their choices.

Okay, thanks. So just don’t go into a fit…got it!

 

[Monte_RCMS]

More lurkers and posters need to read this thread.

 

[PatriceA]

More lurkers and posters need to read this thread.

BUT, at the same time, its not an issue that people should immediately be anxious about if they choose to vaccinate their children to the current schedule. A Catholic mom with a newborn shouldn’t be made to feel they are sinning if they choose to vaccinate their child at the present time.

 

[Dan_Daly]

Keeping people in ignorance isn’t a solution. Perhaps that Catholic mother (and father) would like the information so they can decide if they think it’s appropriate to use vaccines derived from murdered children.

Along the same lines, we should resist the push to have our children vaccinated for STDs that is going on right now.

Pax.

 

[silicasandra]

BUT, at the same time, its not an issue that people should immediately be anxious about if they choose to vaccinate their children to the current schedule. A Catholic mom with a newborn shouldn’t be made to feel they are sinning if they choose to vaccinate their child at the present time.

Which is my situation.

My son is four months old and according to the chart in the OP, he wouldn’t be getting a questionable vaccine until possibly six months (for polio.) He has a ped appointment (regular 4-month check up) this Monday and I am wondering exactly how to bring this up. Would/should these alternatives be easily available (I remember that I wasn’t able to get a mercury-free flu shot while I was pregnant, for example.)? Would using an alternative affect cost? If I bring this up with DS’s ped, would this be something he is likely to have heard of before? (This practice refuses to see children whose parents will not vaccinate their children.)

Then the other dilemma becomes vaccinations for diseases that don’t have an alternative vaccine - it looks like that’s the case for rubella, chickenpox, Hep A, and shingles in the US. I don’t have a problem with not vaccinating for chickenpox as it’s not required (I didn’t get it, I remember my mom taking us to play with some kids who had it so we would all get it while young ), but I am definitely not comfortable just saying “no” to rubella or Hep A vaccines (it looks like the vaccine for shingles is only given in adulthood; I’ve never had it - is this a common one?)

I really like DS’s pediatrician so I don’t want to come across as a “crazy lady” or some kind of conspiracy theorist. I’d also like to make sure I have my facts straight and that I can present my concerns clearly. Any suggestions for how to talk about this effectively with the pediatrician or other resources I can check out or bring with me to the doctor’s office?

 

[Dan_Daly]

Useful info on the topic:

audiosancto.org/sermon/20080720-Unethical-Vaccines-and-The-Enemy-Is-Watching.html

For me, the argument that “it’s okay to use the vaccines, because they’re not killing babies anymore, the children are already dead anyway” is akin to the following:

Say you really need a lamp for your house. Would you use one that the Nazi’s made where the lampshade is made from the skin of a Jew killed in a camp? If not, why not? The person is already dead anyway. By using the lamp you aren’t killing anybody.

Most people would immediately react with horror at the suggestion of putting such a lamp in your house. This isn’t some strained analogy, it’s the exact same thing. Are we willing to reap the “benefits” of murder?

Pax.