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JimR-OCDS
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Read the article and others on the subject.
I’m not going to explain them for you.
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I’m not going to explain them for you.
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RCinMT
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I thought doctrine wasn’t changing? And when you start modifying doctrines that have been claimed to be truths passed down for two millenia than all of your claims become suspect. And it is a new doctrine, changing a doctrine is making new doctrine.
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JimR-OCDS
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I posted that they’re not eliminating current doctrine.
Modifying it, is making a change to it, but not creating a new one.
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RCinMT
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Uhh…that’s exactly how the Church has defined people engaging in sexual relations with somebody who isn’t their spouse from a valid marriage. That’s exactly what the thread is about.Cheating on your wife is far different and grave sin than what the topic of the thread is about.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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The church has conditions for people who are living in an attempted second marriage.
The new teaching seems to have to do with regret and is open to interpretation.
How can you not see this must be clarified?
what do you think I mean by serial adultery?
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Hoosier_Daddy
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What’s the difference?
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RCinMT
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What’s the difference? States have laws against euthanasia, states start changing those laws to permit it. What’s the difference? A change to a law or doctrine is tantamount to a new law or doctrine. And how do you figure this is acceptable? Essentially you’re calling Francis a liar because he has said this isn’t a change in doctrine.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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This makes me want to abandon my faith.
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RCinMT
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I"m considering SSPX.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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If they were regularized…
Why?
If the Church is wrong on this one, the SSPX has no better claim to authority either.
But again, abandoning the Catholic Church is premature, as the Magisterium has not been engaged; this is all “pastoral” stuff. The Church at this point has not erred; only her shepherds cannot get their act together.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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True.
Honestly I think this will be cleared up sooner than later.
Like within a decade.
What a mess! I just hope it gets fixed before too much damage is done.
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RCinMT
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I’m coming to the point of thinking they’re better off not being regularized and given the crusade against traditional Catholics, they should be careful about coming to terms with Rome. I’ve heard people say that SSPX will have assurance of autonomy. I say tell that to the Knights of Malta.
Whatever the case may be, I’m getting the message: conservative, traditional Catholics aren’t welcome and protestants were right all along. Wonder what happens when the Church tries to bring in the protestants and they reject the hierarchy, who will, in fact, be useless in a sola cōnscientia or scriptura environment. Sell off the holdings? Give them to the Eastern Orthodox groups or SSPX?
Could be fascinating.
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RCinMT
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IF they claim that the Church was always right and this is wrong than they might. In either case, it’s going to come down to shopping for the right fit, I suppose, for one’s preferences. SSPX seems like a decent starting point…
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Thomas_White
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I don’t know either. Ask the person who made the comment I responded to.How does Papal infallibility enter into this?
Doctrine does not reduce to one man.
Infallibility is not just a possession of the Pope.
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St_Francis
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I have read several articles on the subject and what I see are very vague criteria like women not wanting to leave men who had been previously abandoned and who would become depressed if they left, people who “feel at peace,” people who have had extensive talks with priests, etc. These are not criteria.
So maybe you have read different articles, one of which may clearly outline the criteria, and could link to it.
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St_Francis
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Don’t be discouraged, pray for a resolution in line with God’s will! So far, this is nowhere near as bad as the Arian heresy, when 80% of the bishops believed the heresy and even the Pope was tinged.
It is a mess… but by no means the first mess.
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edwayne
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But the catechism does indeed state that the civilly divorced and remarried are in a state of perpetual adultery.
Unfortunately, as I said earlier, much damage has already been done and still more will be done, and it will probably take years to recover. A severe wound will be inflicted on the Church, but it will be ironed out in favour of the orthodox position.
In the meantime, God help those who have contributed to sowing the confusion. They will answer for this, to reap the rewards or consequences as the case may be.
If anything, it has just shown me that, contrary to what both priests and laity have said here, “bishop” and “cardinal” doesn’t mean anything on their own. Burke is a Cardinal. Kasper is a Cardinal. There are bishops of Alberta and the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, and the Bishops of Argentina and Malta. That only tells us titles mean nothing where orthodoxy and clarity are concerned. No, unfortunately, we laity have to be discerning and vigilant, strong and knowledgeable in our faith because quite frankly, at least some priests, bishops and cardinals, especially those of that generation (but fortunately, not all) have failed us and continue to do so.
Faithful laity, do not back down in the face of “I’m a priest, he’s a bishop, he’s a cardinal, so shut up.” We cannot just drink the kool-aid. This is our fight too. We need clarity, one way or another, and not only do we deserve it. We demand it.
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Wesrock
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