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The way I see it when I was growing up I had SSA and there were no role models to look up to. Classmates made their jokes not realizing who they were hurting. It’s amazing that I survived but I did. I do not promote the gay agenda but I certainly no longer wish to be so secretive and fearful about being SSA in the hopes that someone coming after me will realize that they can be SSA and chaste.
 
Amen to what you’ve said…you are admirable in how you live your life. God’s grace is at work in you and His love is never ending.
 
goofyjim said:
The Church uses both terms. They do not call the orientation a sin and do not require anyone to change it. They call them to chastity which is quite possible despite having the orientation.
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The Catechism defines it as “intrinsically disordered”.
 
bones_IV said:
The Catechism defines it as “intrinsically disordered”.
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We can play this game back and forth. It does not require it to be changed because it is not sinful in and of itself. The sin only comes into play when it is acted upon. There is no moral requirement to change something that is not sinful to begin with.
 
goofyjim said:
We can play this game back and forth. It does not require it to be changed because it is not sinful in and of itself. The sin only comes into play when it is acted upon. There is no moral requirement to change something that is not sinful to begin with.
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The rationale has been that the sexual orientation itself is not sinful (which is true). But the Church has always taught that the orientation, whether acted on or not, is itself disordered. Men with SSAD cannot be completely mentally or emotionally healthy. They will have the constant temptation of being around other men, some perhaps with the same disorder as themselves
 
bones_IV said:
The rationale has been that the sexual orientation itself is not sinful (which is true). But the Church has always taught that the orientation, whether acted on or not, is itself disordered. Men with SSAD cannot be completely mentally or emotionally healthy. They will have the constant temptation of being around other men, some perhaps with the same disorder as themselves
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Wrong judgement. I have SSA and am otherwise completely mentally and emotionally healthy. I am not constantly tempted any more than an OSA person is constantly tempted by the opposite sex. I find myself able to function well in the presence of both men and women.
 
goofyjim said:
Wrong judgement. I have SSA and am otherwise completely mentally and emotionally healthy. I am not constantly tempted any more than an OSA person is constantly tempted by the opposite sex. I find myself able to function well in the presence of both men and women.
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Tell that to Dr. Warren Carrol. Homosexuality is an unnatural disorder, which has been so romanticized (mainly by those who have it) that it does not seem that anyone can now see it for what it is. Contrary to homosexual propaganda, no one is “born with it.” Like all such disorders, it is chosen and learned.
 
bones_IV said:
Tell that to Dr. Warren Carrol. Homosexuality is an unnatural disorder, which has been so romanticized (mainly by those who have it) that it does not seem that anyone can now see it for what it is. Contrary to homosexual propaganda, no one is “born with it.” Like all such disorders, it is chosen and learned.
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You keep forgetting that I do not support homosexual behavior but all these claims of mental imbalance are just ludicrous. SSA happens in some. We are not in a constant state of lust as some people propose. We carry our cross. Don’t place any others on us. I will not get treatment to change something that hasn’t gone away through prayer. I am not in a state of sin. My attraction goes so far back it must have been inborn. You keep on accusing me of mental instability instead of praising me for my chastity despite the odds. Homosexual behavior is chosen and learned. SSA is not.
 
bones_IV said:
Tell that to Dr. Warren Carrol. Homosexuality is an unnatural disorder, which has been so romanticized (mainly by those who have it) that it does not seem that anyone can now see it for what it is. Contrary to homosexual propaganda, no one is “born with it.” Like all such disorders, it is chosen and learned.
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Behaviors are chosen and learned, disorders are not.
 
goofyjim said:
You keep forgetting that I do not support homosexual behavior but all these claims of mental imbalance are just ludicrous. SSA happens in some. We are not in a constant state of lust as some people propose. We carry our cross. Don’t place any others on us. I will not get treatment to change something that hasn’t gone away through prayer. I am not in a state of sin. My attraction goes so far back it must have been inborn. You keep on accusing me of mental instability instead of praising me for my chastity despite the odds. Homosexual behavior is chosen and learned. SSA is not.
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First off, homosexuals are at risk for pedophilia as Dr. Warren H. Carrol correctly asserts. Just look at “North American Man-Boy Love Association” (NAMBLA) and Father Shanley of the Boston archdiocese. I do not think homosexuals should be ordained to the priesthood because a single-sex environment is not best for them, and they are at risk for pedophilia. The existence of gay subculture within the Catholic priesthood has everything to do with the question of same-sex marriage.

Common assumptions:
  1. Only those gay couples prepared to be governed by the traditional ethos of monogamy would marry.
  2. Any subversive effect on marriage coming from the open promiscuity of gay-male couples would be numerically offset by the notable fidelity of lesbian couples.
For the gay-marriage movement to be successful, it must be perceived as a struggle for civil rights. The press therefore refuses even to acknowledge the possibility that gay sexuality might be of any greater social consequence than skin color. Advocates of gay marriage are fond of comparing those who warn against it to racists who purveyed silly scare stories about the effects of miscegenation. But the real model for gay marriage is the priesthood scandal.
 
goofyjim said:
Behaviors are chosen and learned, disorders are not.
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To say that something “just happened” begs the question. A heterosexual’s attraction to women comes from the nature of a male, but how he expresses it is chosen and learned.
 
bones_IV said:
First off, homosexuals are at risk for pedophilia as Dr. Warren H. Carrol correctly asserts. Just look at “North American Man-Boy Love Association” (NAMBLA) and Father Shanley of the Boston archdiocese. I do not think homosexuals should be ordained to the priesthood because a single-sex environment is not best for them, and they are at risk for pedophilia. The existence of gay subculture within the Catholic priesthood has everything to do with the question of same-sex marriage.

Common assumptions:
  1. Only those gay couples prepared to be governed by the traditional ethos of monogamy would marry.
  2. Any subversive effect on marriage coming from the open promiscuity of gay-male couples would be numerically offset by the notable fidelity of lesbian couples.
For the gay-marriage movement to be successful, it must be perceived as a struggle for civil rights. The press therefore refuses even to acknowledge the possibility that gay sexuality might be of any greater social consequence than skin color. Advocates of gay marriage are fond of comparing those who warn against it to racists who purveyed silly scare stories about the effects of miscegenation. But the real model for gay marriage is the priesthood scandal.
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And what pray tell causes this to come itno the conversation. Where have I promoted the gay agenda. You are getting under my skin with your provocations, which is what they are. Chaste homosexuals are not at risk for anything. We are not lurking in the corners going after the children at any chance we get. There are a small percentage that do but it also happens among married men which I would assume are heterosexual.
 
goofyjim said:
And what pray tell causes this to come itno the conversation. Where have I promoted the gay agenda. You are getting under my skin with your provocations, which is what they are. Chaste homosexuals are not at risk for anything. We are not lurking in the corners going after the children at any chance we get. There are a small percentage that do but it also happens among married men which I would assume are heterosexual.
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I’m not accusing you of that. The priest scandal also teaches a critical lesson about the time that it takes to undermine an institution. Defenders of civil unions in Vermont, for example, are fond of saying that since the advent of civil unions two years ago, “the sky has not fallen.” The answer is that the effect of civil unions and gay marriage on the ethos of marriage will likely percolate for years before the harm becomes evident — after which time it will be too late to turn back.
 
bones_IV said:
To say that something “just happened” begs the question. A heterosexual’s attraction to women comes from the nature of a male, but how he expresses it is chosen and learned.
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And the nature of some men is to find other men attractive. Whether he expresses it is chosen and learned.
 
bones_IV said:
I’m just stating the Church’s teachings not accusing you of anything.
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Church teaching does not say that anyone is more at risk for pedophilia than anyone else. It does teach that one can be chaste and homosexual at the same time.
 
goofyjim said:
And the nature of some men is to find other men attractive. Whether he expresses it is chosen and learned.
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Our behavior is learned. The Catholic Church does not morally condemn a person for the orientation itself, unless it has been intentionally fostered or caused by some sin of fornication. One of the things I like about Courage is that it does not claim that homosexuals are “born not made.”
 
goofyjim said:
Church teaching does not say that anyone is more at risk for pedophilia than anyone else. It does teach that one can be chaste and homosexual at the same time.
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But a priest having sex with an alter boy is a same sex relationship. Why try and cover it up?
 
bones_IV said:
Our behavior is learned. The Catholic Church does not morally condemn a person for the orientation itself, unless it has been intentionally fostered or caused by some sin of fornication.
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Oh my we might be coming to some agreement here. How does one intentionally foster SSA if one never has acted on it? It is a thorn in the flesh which God in His permissive will allow some of us to have. I never intentionally fostered SSA but I certainly cannot be OSA because that would be against my nature. I am called to be chaste according to my state in life and that is what I am doing.
 
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