Vatican all but wipes out conservative order of nuns for ‘too much prayer’ |

[Emeraldlady]

"In the daily exercise of our pastoral office, we sometimes have to listen, much to our regret, to voices of persons who, though burning with zeal, are not endowed with too much sense of discretion or measure. In these modern times they can see nothing but prevarication and ruin. They say that our era, in comparison with past eras, is getting worse, and they behave as though they had learned nothing from history, which is, none the less, the teacher of life. They behave as though at the time of former Councils everything was a full triumph for the Christian idea and life and for proper religious liberty.

We feel we must disagree with those prophets of gloom, who are always forecasting disaster, as though the end of the world were at hand.

In the present order of things, Divine Providence is leading us to a new order of human relations which, by men’s own efforts and even beyond their very expectations, are directed toward the fulfillment of God’s superior and inscrutable designs. And everything, even human differences, leads to the greater good of the Church."

I refuse to wallow in endless criticism and doomsaying as though the Holy Spirit has abandoned the Church in our day. What a sorry way to live a Catholic life. While I live and breathe I intend to repudiate such nasty unCatholic behaviour for the sake of young Catholics coming up without faith in the papacy, hope in the Holy Spirit and a loveless attitude of gossiping and criticising the Holy Father.

 

[otrrl]

So…you don’t approve of the “fraternal correction” that some cardinals have offered the Pope?

And which Pope Francis do you support? the one who castigated the Chilean bishops for their reports of clerical sex abuse or the Pope Francis who a month or more later revised his remarks to acknowledge the findings of a 2500-page investigation report? …the Pope Francis who celebrated the 500th anniversary of the start of the Reformation, including the placement of a statue of Martin Luther at the Vatican? etc.

I support the office of the Papacy but many have questioned where he is taking the Church and I am too far away

 

[Emeraldlady]

So…you don’t approve of the “fraternal correction” that some cardinals have offered the Pope?

Do you mean your man the one and only Cardinal Burke who alone among the 214 Cardinals of the Church holds the key to truth, holiness and Gods will?

 

[MikeInVA]

Do you mean your man the one and only Cardinal Burke who alone among the 214 Cardinals of the Church holds the key to truth, holiness and Gods will?

Athanasius was pretty much alone in his faith, and he was right.
Thomas More was alone in his faith, and he was also right.
Truth is not a popularity contest.

 

[poche]

That doesn’t appear to be true where I live.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

Do you mean your man the one and only Cardinal Burke who alone among the 214 Cardinals of the Church holds the key to truth, holiness and Gods will?

Athanasius was pretty much alone in his faith, and he was right.
Thomas More was alone in his faith, and he was also right.
Truth is not a popularity contest.

Traitors like Judas were alone among the Apostles also. Pretending to be one thing while working to destroy what was good.

 

[Feanor2]

WOW! Thanks for that quote from the Pope.

I feel like I have really learned something here about what hope is and isn’t.

Very powerful.

 

[Emeraldlady]

WOW! Thanks for that quote from the Pope.

I feel like I have really learned something here about what hope is and isn’t.

Very powerful.

Yes, I love reading Pope Francis’ homilies, Feanor. He has the gift of wisdom that a truly good father has. I think the attacks of the devil that he is enduring from within the Church now, are a sign of the power of his wisdom that the devil wants to destroy.

 

[Feanor2]

I believe you are right

I find myself getting angry when I read of the constant attacks.

I pray that he be protected from his enemies each night

 

[13pollitos]

In short there were conflicts in the management of elder care facilities, where the nuns were accused of excessive rigidity and authoritarianism.

This is a common complaint lately it seems.

 

[choose_to_love]

Wait. What does excessive rigidity and authoritarianism even mean?

What does ‘traditionalist leaning’ mean, and what does the refusal to modernise mean?

Look, I know you have to be a little careful with LSN, but I don’t think either source has really provided a clear picture into what occurred on the ground.

 

[OraLabora]

I don’t think we’ll ever be privy to the whole story, but I doubt that “too much prayer” as in the title of this thread, was the cause. There are plenty of conservative orders in the Church that pray a heck of a lot. Any Benedictine abbey using the original schema of St. Benedict, for instance, the Carthusians are another example. Both pray a very heavy Office, and the Carthusians also add a Little Office of the BVM on top of their choir obligations. And many communities, in Latin moreover. I don’t see too many folks trying to run them out of town on a rail.

One particular area of “failure to modernize” however, could be with human relations with lay employees. Any large care facility run by religious will still require a large number of lay employees. They will have some expectations of “modern” workplace rules. Not saying for sure that this is the source of the problem, it’s just a possibility. Only the people involved know for sure. LSN certainly doesn’t.