Vatican calls for Central World Bank

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My evangelical conspiracy theorist friends are going to run with this one:

reuters.com/article/2011/10/24/idUS264245887020111024

A Central World Bank sounds like exactly the thing my evangelical friends have warned me the Catholic Church would do to try and establish a One World Government. I hear this all the time on local Christian radio where “End Times” programs trumpet this as a sign of the last days.

What do my non-Catholic friends think of this announcement? Is it the establishment of the so-called Whore of Babylon worldwide?
 
There are certain things the Vatican should be keeping their noses out of; This is one of them. Flame away.
 
Jesus Christ (pbuh) declared war on usury and he showed his feelings when he went ballistic and threw the money-changers out of the Temple.

Why doesn’t the Pope declare war on usury like what Jesus (pbuh) did?

There is no need at all to set up a Central World Bank when all that the Church needs to do is to call for usury to be abolished from the world’s financial system.

And even if a such a global Central Bank were to be set up, it would very probably be based on a financial system which uses usury and be run by the same bankers whose policies got the world into the colossal mess that it currently is in.

The problem is usury, Jesus Christ (pbuh) knew that… and so, why doesn’t the Pope call for usury to be abolished from the world’s financial system?
 
No i did not; The world does not need a central authority. Sorry I do not agree with you nor the pope in this matter.
 
There are certain things the Vatican should be keeping their noses out of; This is one of them. Flame away.
I agree the Vatican doesn’t have any business calling for any kind of world control. This is like a parody of a Chick publication. The alarm bells will be going off for a lot of Protestants and Eastern Orthodox on this one. It violates the entire principle of subsidiarity which says that local control is best. A Central World Bank would be a catastrophe for freedom. A lot of Americans should be alarmed by this document.
 
Jesus Christ (pbuh) declared war on usury and he showed his feelings when he went ballistic and threw the money-changers out of the Temple.

Well spoken post, Hamba, for this reason(among others) I am entirely against this idea. I see no justification in it whatsoever.

The only reason with I can see this would be if the Pope wanted a bank that did not run on usury, but even so, worldwide? The use and forcing of Worldwide Institutions is one of the most dangerous and oppressive aspects of modernism.
 
First of all, I am afraid this is a faction within the Vatican giving their own particular stand on forming a world economical entity.

What we must look at as Catholics are the papal encyclicals and our bishops in communion with the Holy Father. Catholicism has condemned usury…but that is not the same as the economic structure most of us live under that charge some interest on buying on credit.

This is not the first time people in the press have inflated individual and personal opinions by those at the Vatican.

Also, as many of us saw America’s involvement with Libya a set up for Islamic domination…now that Libya is a ‘free country’…the first think to promote is a man having multiple wives…sex.

The other is the banks charging no interest.

Christian men who live among Muslims have to explain to them the expense of having multiple wives.

The economic situation in America was brought on first by President Obama when he and other Harvard lawyers sued CitiGroup in Chicago using the race card to bring down lending standards. Then President Clinton removed the Casey Stengall Act that provided safeguards in preventing another stock market crash. Then in the Bush Administration, Barney Frank and Chris Dodds was telling lenders false hoods that the government had alot of money to finance people with unstable credit. The banks were under alot of pressure by the Federal Government, which is partially transnational now, to acquisce. Then there was alot of fraud committed by mortgage brokers, especially among the young ones along with the banks. Then you had the real estate and appraisal industry artificially raising the values of homes while the government looked the away.

During the 2008 presidential election, a friend of mine went to see his attorney. It was about the same time I heard of the race baiting lawsuits in Chicago back then to bring down lending standards. He told me that the big bail out actually went to foreign banks, and were sitting in the vaults at American taxpayer expense.

Then you had President Obama elected who came out of nowhere with connections to George Soros, who made alot of money from the fiasco. A married couple who owned Golden West, aka World Savings, was one of these who made a ton of money on adjusted mortgages and when they sold the business to Wachovia, who didn’t do their homework, and took on all these subprime loans and just about went over, the couple then joined up with Soros to form socialist organizations here in the USA to fight our traditional values. The USA is loosing billions in financial aid at this very moment to China, who has been literally involved in intelligence theft.

In the meantime in this present adminstration, more money has transferred out of this country…and some say it is the greatest financial fraud in history.

We go on and on and on and on…You look at the Gospels of Jesus Christ…and the dangers of money and power.

What the Lord was doing in the temple was retaining the sanctity of the temple, not making a statement against commerce.

And the Lord has said in his parables about using the talents God gave you, using your brains and working hard…to waste them is like ‘the evil servant’ who instead of using his talents, buried them in the sand…
 
FriarPark…

Thanks!!!

This is what people, including Catholics, need to know…when you hear something from the Vatican that is serving the spirit of the world, watch out.

I heard some Catholics drawing on the US Bishops statement and it was sounding like the Church supported open borders. Thousands of innocent American lives who have lost their lives in the meantime. A Mindzenty Report also dating back to the 1990’s forwarded to readers the plan of action started by Marxists in South America to plan sending gangs into America to commit all sorts of crimes, that would be evident to common citizens by 2005. While this group was promoting open borders, the speaker also declared our country a ‘bad’ country…but encouraging people to come in illegally.

Later someone in the group brought out the full document, and while it sympathized and supported the human dignity and rights of the alien, it also likewise upheld our sovereignty and working of law.

Again…read documents that align with the Pope and communion of bishops…otherwise you are replacing a former tyranny with a new one.
 
FriarPark…

Thanks!!!

This is what people, including Catholics, need to know…when you hear something from the Vatican that is serving the spirit of the world, watch out.

I heard some Catholics drawing on the US Bishops statement and it was sounding like the Church supported open borders. Thousands of innocent American lives who have lost their lives in the meantime. A Mindzenty Report also dating back to the 1990’s forwarded to readers the plan of action started by Marxists in South America to plan sending gangs into America to commit all sorts of crimes, that would be evident to common citizens by 2005. While this group was promoting open borders, the speaker also declared our country a ‘bad’ country…but encouraging people to come in illegally.

Later someone in the group brought out the full document, and while it sympathized and supported the human dignity and rights of the alien, it also likewise upheld our sovereignty and working of law.

Again…read documents that align with the Pope and communion of bishops…otherwise you are replacing a former tyranny with a new one.
The Bishops are very much pro-amnesty when it comes to immigration. They throw a sop to the rule of law, but their policies would ignore the rule of law in favor of an amnesty which would encourage more illegal immigration.

I don’t think anyone can read this latest document about a Central World Bank without being very concerned about the direction the Vatican is promoting. It’s the direction that Caritas in Veritate seemed to endorse and this just confirms it. You can be assured that any kind of Central World authority would be in opposition to the faith and morals of the Catholic Church when it comes to abortion and marriage. I don’t know why the Church is promoting it.
 
The episcopal statement I read was done a year or so ago…that the illegals must fall in line and follow the law like everyone else.

About the world economy, you can’t pour fresh wine into an old flask.

I also came across an old article written back in 2005 that the media was ignoring the greatest threat to our livelihood – China’s economic war on us, in its manipulation of currency which we are now seeing…it is only now beginning to be addressed by Congress…and we cannot forget about the over 50 million people who were killed there by their own people in the name of communism.

This new statement was addressed to the WTO, but how I interpret it, it is not invalidating others’ right to autonomy…our encyclicals and that which is drawn from them are the most universal and balanced in scope. It looks like those in the Church are now using it for this now apparent world wide ‘revolution’. I have read that when the economic structure collapses, we will be in perilous times.

Some day it will become clear to mankind that it is God Who is the Author of LIfe, and for us to survive, we must turn back to Him. How much prayers and penance are needed.

I am restoring my Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, our refuge for these times…and the Lord is truly caring for us here…
 
It was a lengthy text and so I did a search for the word ‘usury’ on the page to see what this “Note on financial reform from the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace” says about the evil of usury.

And the result of the search is that the word ‘usury’ does not appear even once in the entire text.

I cannot say that I am too surprised because if indeed the Vatican were to have taken a stance against the practice of usury as Jesus Christ (pbuh) did 2000 years ago when he threw out the money-changers from the Temple, then they would have persistently warned against the evil of usury in the world’s financial system years ago.

And so then, this most deafening silence on the part of the Vatican in pointing out and warning against the great evil of usury can only be taken as them accepting and condoning the continued practice of usury in the world of finance.
 
First of all, I am afraid this is a faction within the Vatican giving their own particular stand on forming a world economical entity.

What we must look at as Catholics are the papal encyclicals and our bishops in communion with the Holy Father. Catholicism has condemned usury…but that is not the same as the economic structure most of us live under that charge some interest on buying on credit.

This is not the first time people in the press have inflated individual and personal opinions by those at the Vatican.

Also, as many of us saw America’s involvement with Libya a set up for Islamic domination…now that Libya is a ‘free country’…the first think to promote is a man having multiple wives…sex.

The other is the banks charging no interest.

Christian men who live among Muslims have to explain to them the expense of having multiple wives.

The economic situation in America was brought on first by President Obama when he and other Harvard lawyers sued CitiGroup in Chicago using the race card to bring down lending standards. Then President Clinton removed the Casey Stengall Act that provided safeguards in preventing another stock market crash. Then in the Bush Administration, Barney Frank and Chris Dodds was telling lenders false hoods that the government had alot of money to finance people with unstable credit. The banks were under alot of pressure by the Federal Government, which is partially transnational now, to acquisce. Then there was alot of fraud committed by mortgage brokers, especially among the young ones along with the banks. Then you had the real estate and appraisal industry artificially raising the values of homes while the government looked the away.

During the 2008 presidential election, a friend of mine went to see his attorney. It was about the same time I heard of the race baiting lawsuits in Chicago back then to bring down lending standards. He told me that the big bail out actually went to foreign banks, and were sitting in the vaults at American taxpayer expense.

Then you had President Obama elected who came out of nowhere with connections to George Soros, who made alot of money from the fiasco. A married couple who owned Golden West, aka World Savings, was one of these who made a ton of money on adjusted mortgages and when they sold the business to Wachovia, who didn’t do their homework, and took on all these subprime loans and just about went over, the couple then joined up with Soros to form socialist organizations here in the USA to fight our traditional values. The USA is loosing billions in financial aid at this very moment to China, who has been literally involved in intelligence theft.

In the meantime in this present adminstration, more money has transferred out of this country…and some say it is the greatest financial fraud in history.

We go on and on and on and on…You look at the Gospels of Jesus Christ…and the dangers of money and power.

What the Lord was doing in the temple was retaining the sanctity of the temple, not making a statement against commerce.

And the Lord has said in his parables about using the talents God gave you, using your brains and working hard…to waste them is like ‘the evil servant’ who instead of using his talents, buried them in the sand…
I love it when people blame the Bush economy and the Regan war on the middle class on Obama. In case you haven’t noticed, our economy was a train wreck in October of 2008. It takes a while to clean up a train wreck. Bush took a healthy economy in 2000 and drove it into the gutter long before he watched it go up in flames in 2008, without taking ANY measures to correct it BTW. Just watched. Took the Hoover approach. That worked well in '29 - if you were Andrew Mellon. BTW - this is one of the areas where your Pope has it right. I wish he would make more statements like this one. He’s right on target, The 'every man for himself" economy being practiced in the US and pushed by conservatives is an abomination to any religion. I call it like I see it. I don’t follow the Pope, but he seems to make a lot of sense to me on a lot of issues. This is one of them.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
On my way home I turned on Irvin Baxter’s End Time ministry program to see what they were saying about this. As expected he was trumpeting the Vatican’s role in seeking a One World Government by establishing a world wide central banking authority which would control our ability to buy and sell as well as have the authority to tax us. The evangelicals are going to use this document to prove the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon – and quite frankly calling for a central economic authority “with teeth” as the document does plays right into the evangelical narrative. The Vatican ought to be about preaching the gospel and converting souls to Christ – once that has happened people will naturally seek social justice without demanding any kind of government action to accomplish it.
 
On my way home I turned on Irvin Baxter’s End Time ministry program to see what they were saying about this. As expected he was trumpeting the Vatican’s role in seeking a One World Government by establishing a world wide central banking authority which would control our ability to buy and sell as well as have the authority to tax us. The evangelicals are going to use this document to prove the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon – and quite frankly calling for a central economic authority “with teeth” as the document does plays right into the evangelical narrative. The Vatican ought to be about preaching the gospel and converting souls to Christ – once that has happened people will naturally seek social justice without demanding any kind of government action to accomplish it.
Again, why are so afraid of what the evangelicals are saying? Don’t you know the appeal is to “scare” folks into believing, even if it is at the expense of another Christian faith? What a great way to get more of the “End Times” books sold…see it for what it is and turn that “fear” you have into a firm stance with the Church by seeking information that will refute what “they think” the document says. Use your brain, read it, re-read it…and don’t concern yourself with what “others” say about your Church…this isn’t new, this has been going on for hundreds of years. Us against them.

Is the Catholic Church the whore of babylon? Of course not. You know it, I know it, and so does every Catholic. Evangelicals also believe in preaching the gospel and converting souls (saving) to Christ. The “how” it is done, is through fear, (the everyone is out to get us mentality)…see, see…now, look at the Catholics…we knew all along they were instrumental in bringing about the end of times through one world economic authority…

Are you going to let them get away with that? Of course not. Stop cowering in fear of other human beings…change comes from within…you want to convert souls to Christ, do it with truth.
 
Again, why are so afraid of what the evangelicals are saying? Don’t you know the appeal is to “scare” folks into believing, even if it is at the expense of another Christian faith? What a great way to get more of the “End Times” books sold…see it for what it is and turn that “fear” you have into a firm stance with the Church by seeking information that will refute what “they think” the document says. Use your brain, read it, re-read it…and don’t concern yourself with what “others” say about your Church…this isn’t new, this has been going on for hundreds of years. Us against them.

Is the Catholic Church the whore of babylon? Of course not. You know it, I know it, and so does every Catholic. Evangelicals also believe in preaching the gospel and converting souls (saving) to Christ. The “how” it is done, is through fear, (the everyone is out to get us mentality)…see, see…now, look at the Catholics…we knew all along they were instrumental in bringing about the end of times through one world economic authority…

Are you going to let them get away with that? Of course not. Stop cowering in fear of other human beings…change comes from within…you want to convert souls to Christ, do it with truth.
We don’t need to hand the evangelicals an issue like this especially when the statement from the Vatican is so sadly naive and unworkable. Someone needs to get the Vatican under control so they preach the gospel instead of some sad promotion of a world wide central bank “with teeth”. And quite frankly the evangelical argument begins to hold water if we actually behave as if we favor a one world government.
 
And history repeats itself… 😦

I’m not worried about it though. If the world won’t listen to the pope about anything else, why should this be any different? Has he become that influential in secular politics? 🤷

In Christ,
Andrew
 
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