Vatican calls Muhammad cartoon "blasphemous"

[SyroMalankara]

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When you say “false prophet”, do you mean Muhammad?
Surely you understand that Muhammad is not a “false prophet” to Muslims, right?
Many Muslims follow a specific tradition that regards images of Muhammad blasphemous. That is why the newspaper would would call a cartoon of Muhammad “blasphemous”.
Just because it is not the religion you believe in or follow, it doesn’t mean it’s not blasphemous.
Muslims would understand what a Catholic would consider blasphemous in the catholic church.
If someone has indeed painted pictures of Muhammad in hell, I assume that wasn’t someone in the Vatican. That is probably considered blasphemous, too.

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Is the statue of David by Michaelangelo blasphemous? The same people that consider the above images blasphemous consider any images blasphemous, of anything - even animals and nature.

 

[Peter_J]

How do you explain the declaration of Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441:

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Well, Melkite Catholics don’t consider the Council of Florence an ecumenical council, so for me it isn’t an issue. But even if I did consider it to be an ecumenical council, I don’t think it would be a very big problem because that quote is open to interpretation.

 

[adrift]

With respect, this post goes against the very grain of what it means to be Christian, and more specifically Catholic…

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[adrift]

How do you explain the declaration of Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441:

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

 

[Tomdstone]

adrift:
Do the two quoted statements say the same thing or are they saying something different. The first seems extremely harsh, whereas the second seems to be rather lenient.

 

[Peter_J]

The first seems extremely harsh,

Exactly. There’s an important difference between a false statement, and a statement that presents a truth poorly – such as making it sound “extremely harsh”.

 

[Eddie_Mac]

With respect, this post goes against the very grain of what it means to be Christian, and more specifically Catholic…

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Then you have a warped understanding of what it means to be Christian or Catholic.

Are you insisting that Islamists do not want to exterminate Christians? Your denying facts openly negates any argument you put forth.

 

[TruthWFree]

It is blasphemous for Muslims, though they do not worship Mohammad, they worship God (Allah). It is rude and not a way to begin and continue dialogue with another monotheistic religion. It is mockery, not satire.

I don’t understand what corner of one’s soul is elated by desecrating that which others value. You can certainly disagree with anyone, but certainly people who follow Jesus should do so in a respectful manner.

Muhammad in 610 AD at the age of 40 claimed to have a vision in a cave and told his wife Khadija that he thought he was possessed by a demon but she convinced him it was from God. I understand he tried to kill himself by hurling off a mountain but the “being” supposedly Gabriel stopped him each time. He preached his one god allah religion for some 12 years in Mecca but the Meccan arabs worshipped many gods and Muhammad’s tribe ran the Kaaba. He moved to Medina with a little over 100 followers in 622 AD (Hijra) and started robbing caravans and killing people and taking sex slaves and that is when his following really increased. By 630 AD, 8 years later, he marched into Mecca with 10,000 men (plunder and sex slaves with a god’s okay was the draw) and he took control of the city. His religion was spread by the sword and he killed anyone who criticized him per Islamic texts. He claimed to have revelations from his allah god but there were no witnesses and one revelation from his allah god even gave him his adopted son’s wife who divorced her to allow Muhammad to marry her. He had 10 to 13 wives plus sex slaves taken in battle.

One claimed Quran revelation from his allah god said that Jesus never said He is the Son of God and another claimed revelation says that Jesus did not die on the cross. Add to this that Muslims can lie to unbelievers to further Islam and that the violence in the Quran exhorted in the Quran supposedly by the allah god against unbelievers (you and me and 99% of Americans) is 180 degrees opposite Jesus’ teaching of love and forgiveness in the Gospels. The Quran is supposedly the allah god’s revelations to Muhammad and they lie against the Gospel truths…this is blasphemy to a Christian…or should be. The allah god of the Quran cannot be the same God as the Father of Jesus and the God of Abraham…so who is he? Jesus in the Gospels speaking to the Jewish leadership (there were no Muslims) says that Satan is the father of all lies. I conclude the allah god of the Quran is Satan, and I do not want the leaders of OUR Church reaching out to Islam. Proclaiming the Gospels to Muslims to come to Christ, YES! But to give Islam credence as “We all worship the same God”…NO!

Muhammad deserves NO respect from Christians. Every Christian should believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father or that person is not really a Christian…“No one comes to the Father except through me”.

The cartoon contest was in answer to the Charlie Hebdo killings and I salute Pamela Geller (who is Jewish) for her bravery. Her message to the Islamic killers is that you the Islamists have made cartoons of Muhammad a line in the sand against free speech and as a freedom loving American, I will not submit to the Sharia Law of a gangster religion like Islam, who put out hit men for their false prophet, otherwise freedom of speech is lost and with it goes freedom.

We may as well get out our prayer rugs and face Mecca if Islam has merit as a way to Heaven and to the presence of God or if we are afraid to criticize Islam.

 

[Reuben_J]

"Origen52:

It is blasphemous for Muslims, though they do not worship Mohammad, they worship God (Allah). It is rude and not a way to begin and continue dialogue with another monotheistic religion. It is mockery, not satire.

I don’t understand what corner of one’s soul is elated by desecrating that which others value. You can certainly disagree with anyone, but certainly people who follow Jesus should do so in a respectful manner.

Muhammad in 610 AD at the age of 40 claimed to have a vision in a cave …

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Muhammad deserves NO respect from Christians. Every Christian should believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father or that person is not really a Christian…“No one comes to the Father except through me”.

The cartoon contest was in answer to the Charlie Hebdo killings and I salute Pamela Geller (who is Jewish) for her bravery. Her message to the Islamic killers is that you the Islamists have made cartoons of Muhammad a line in the sand against free speech and as a freedom loving American, I will not submit to the Sharia Law of a gangster religion like Islam, who put out hit men for their false prophet, otherwise freedom of speech is lost and with it goes freedom.

We may as well get out our prayer rugs and face Mecca if Islam has merit as a way to Heaven and to the presence of God or if we are afraid to criticize Islam.

I understand that you have to make a post but you found a bizarre way to respond to the above, unless it gives you pleasure to desecrate what others value. I know that as Christians we can be vocal with what we do not believe as we do with what we believe. The Pope was essentially saying not to burn bridges with people that you still have to deal with, one way or the other. Besides, is it being Christian to purposely disrespect or retaliating? Intentionally provoking them knowing that it would enrage them will serve no gain or being fruitful to a Christian, in my opinion.

 

[TruthWFree]

I understand that you have to make a post but you found a bizarre way to respond to the above, unless it gives you pleasure to desecrate what others value. I know that as Christians we can be vocal with what we do not believe as we do with what we believe. The Pope was essentially saying not to burn bridges with people that you still have to deal with, one way or the other. Besides, is it being Christian to purposely disrespect or retaliating? Intentionally provoking them knowing that it would enrage them will serve no gain or being fruitful to a Christian, in my opinion.

I will stand in the face of evil and call evil by its real name…evil. Jesus did not mine words with those he considered hypocrites or evil. Islam’s direction by its allah god is to fight until the religion is supreme, Sura 2-193. If you are a Christian, you should be preaching the Gospel to Muslims to come to the light of Christ. Cowering before them and giving Islam credence is not the correct thing to do in my opinion. Islam’s teachings are evil. Call it what it is, EVIL. What I said in my posts is significantly more insulting to Islam and Muhammad than cartoons, but it is the TRUTH based on my extensive studies since 9/11.

 

[Reuben_J]

I will stand in the face of evil and call evil by its real name…evil. Jesus did not mine words with those he considered hypocrites or evil. Islam’s direction by its allah god is to fight until the religion is supreme, Sura 2-193. If you are a Christian, you should be preaching the Gospel to Muslims to come to the light of Christ. Cowering before them and giving Islam credence is not the correct thing to do in my opinion. Islam’s teachings are evil. Call it what it is, EVIL. What I said in my posts is significantly more insulting to Islam and Muhammad than cartoons, but it is the TRUTH based on my extensive studies since 9/11.

I admire you for your courage, my friend. I am a Christian alright and I would listen to the advice of my Pope. I see it as to be gentle like a dove and to be wise as a serpent. But you got your point and good luck with that.

Peace to you.

Reuben

 

[Mark121359]

Hmmm…I Don’t seem to recall any Vatican response when the Blessed Virgin painting spattered with elephant dung, or the photo of a crucifix in urine were being displayed in art museums here in the States and Europe. Now why wasn’t that called blasphemous?

Peace, Mark

 

[hasantas]

Muhammad in 610 AD at the age of 40 claimed to have a vision in a cave and told his wife Khadija that he thought he was possessed by a demon but she convinced him it was from God. I understand he tried to kill himself by hurling off a mountain but the “being” supposedly Gabriel stopped him each time. He preached his one god allah religion for some 12 years in Mecca but the Meccan arabs worshipped many gods and Muhammad’s tribe ran the Kaaba. He moved to Medina with a little over 100 followers in 622 AD (Hijra) and started robbing caravans and killing people and taking sex slaves and that is when his following really increased. By 630 AD, 8 years later, he marched into Mecca with 10,000 men (plunder and sex slaves with a god’s okay was the draw) and he took control of the city. His religion was spread by the sword and he killed anyone who criticized him per Islamic texts. He claimed to have revelations from his allah god but there were no witnesses and one revelation from his allah god even gave him his adopted son’s wife who divorced her to allow Muhammad to marry her. He had 10 to 13 wives plus sex slaves taken in battle.

One claimed Quran revelation from his allah god said that Jesus never said He is the Son of God and another claimed revelation says that Jesus did not die on the cross. Add to this that Muslims can lie to unbelievers to further Islam and that the violence in the Quran exhorted in the Quran supposedly by the allah god against unbelievers (you and me and 99% of Americans) is 180 degrees opposite Jesus’ teaching of love and forgiveness in the Gospels. The Quran is supposedly the allah god’s revelations to Muhammad and they lie against the Gospel truths…this is blasphemy to a Christian…or should be. The allah god of the Quran cannot be the same God as the Father of Jesus and the God of Abraham…so who is he? Jesus in the Gospels speaking to the Jewish leadership (there were no Muslims) says that Satan is the father of all lies. I conclude the allah god of the Quran is Satan, and I do not want the leaders of OUR Church reaching out to Islam. Proclaiming the Gospels to Muslims to come to Christ, YES! But to give Islam credence as “We all worship the same God”…NO!

Muhammad deserves NO respect from Christians. Every Christian should believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father or that person is not really a Christian…“No one comes to the Father except through me”.

The cartoon contest was in answer to the Charlie Hebdo killings and I salute Pamela Geller (who is Jewish) for her bravery. Her message to the Islamic killers is that you the Islamists have made cartoons of Muhammad a line in the sand against free speech and as a freedom loving American, I will not submit to the Sharia Law of a gangster religion like Islam, who put out hit men for their false prophet, otherwise freedom of speech is lost and with it goes freedom.

We may as well get out our prayer rugs and face Mecca if Islam has merit as a way to Heaven and to the presence of God or if we are afraid to criticize Islam.

You and your statements are so raw! And an advise:

You could say that " I am on straight way" but you should not say that " I am the only one on straight way".

 

[TruthWFree]

Hmmm…I Don’t seem to recall any Vatican response when the Blessed Virgin painting spattered with elephant dung, or the photo of a crucifix in urine were being displayed in art museums here in the States and Europe. Now why wasn’t that called blasphemous?

Peace, Mark

It is very scary to me that the Vatican is coddling and giving credence to Islam as if it was an alternative way to the Father. I believe Jesus’ words when He said, “No one comes to the Father but through Me.” The Vatican should be condemning the beheading and raping and killing of Christians all done in the name of the allah god of the Quran and his false prophet Muhammad. Jesus said, “You will know them (false prophets) by their fruits.”, and the fruit of Islam has been eternal warfare against unbelievers for 1400 years (diminishing under European Colonial rule but now rising from the feed of petrol dollars) and even warfare against other Muslims. If Islam truly has any merit for eternal life and if the “We all worship the same God” is true, then why not just all ignore Jesus words, and become Muslims…if there is truth in that religion? (There is no TRUTH). I pray for Muslims and all non Christians to come to the Light of Christ. I pray for Hindus, and Buddhists atheists and Muslims, but more so for Muslims stuck in this evil religion through birth or providence. Death for apostasy is the glue that holds many in Islam so it is not easy to leave it. The Catholic Church should be praying at each Mass (IMO) for the conversion of Muslims to Christ as we did in my childhood days for the conversion of atheistic communist Russia as requested by Our Lady of Fatima.

 

[TruthWFree]

It is possible to love muslims and criticise their faith. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I agree. Good people in Islam need to know Christ’s teachings in the Gospels and come to Christ. Death for apostasy is the glue that holds many in Islam.

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

It is very scary to me that the Vatican is coddling and giving credence to Islam as if it was an alternative way to the Father. I believe Jesus’ words when He said, “No one comes to the Father but through Me.” The Vatican should be condemning the beheading and raping and killing of Christians all done in the name of the allah god of the Quran and his false prophet Muhammad. Jesus said, “You will know them (false prophets) by their fruits.”, and the fruit of Islam has been eternal warfare against unbelievers for 1400 years (diminishing under European Colonial rule but now rising from the feed of petrol dollars) and even warfare against other Muslims. If Islam truly has any merit for eternal life and if the “We all worship the same God” is true, then why not just all ignore Jesus words, and become Muslims…if there is truth in that religion? (There is no TRUTH). I pray for Muslims and all non Christians to come to the Light of Christ. I pray for Hindus, and Buddhists atheists and Muslims, but more so for Muslims stuck in this evil religion through birth or providence. Death for apostasy is the glue that holds many in Islam so it is not easy to leave it. The Catholic Church should be praying at each Mass (IMO) for the conversion of Muslims to Christ as we did in my childhood days for the conversion of atheistic communist Russia as requested by Our Lady of Fatima.

Vatican II: Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions,
Nostra Aetate, 3:

“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of Heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit to even his inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.”

Also please note that “Allah” is an Arabic word which means “the God.” It’s use by Arabic speaking Christians pre-dates Islam, and it is still used by many Christians today.

 

[TruthWFree]

Vatican II: Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions,
Nostra Aetate, 3:

“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of Heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit to even his inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.”

Also please note that “Allah” is an Arabic word which means “the God.” It’s use by Arabic speaking Christians pre-dates Islam, and it is still used by many Christians today.

If an Arab was speaking about Zeus or Jupiter or another of the Greek gods, would he say Greek allahs or Roman allahs? I saying that just because they use the Arabic word for god means nothing relative to the Father of Jesus or even the God of Abraham. The Meccans originally worshiped an allah (god) for every day of the year per my readings. Also the claimed Abrahamic religion cannot be fully substantiated because from Abraham and Ishmael to Muhammad is about 2600 years and there is no genealogy covering the descendents over that time to Muhammad as there is in the Bible from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to the Twelve Tribes to David and to Jesus. There is a short genealogy on Ishmael of his sons and that he settled from Havilah to Shur toward Assyria. That could be present day Saudi Arabia or Jordan or Iraq but my point is the Arabs have no record of worshiping the God of Abraham in those 2600 years like the Jews. To some people a god or an allah could be a rock.
Muhammad (or allah) claimed that the Bible was faulty and was distorted by Christians and Jews but he does not say how or which verses yet he claims his allah is the God of Abraham and that they are an Abrahamic religion (to promote Islam’s religion status?)
I can give yo many factual reasons why the allah god of the Quran is not the Father of Jesus and the God of Abraham but I have yet to see the factual support for the above Vatican II statement about the Moslem’s god being the same as the God of Abraham and of course they cannot claim him to be the Father of Jesus since the allah god says Jesus never said He is the Son of God. Strange support of Islam from Catholic leaders who i suppose are parroting Muslims claims.

 

[mamlukman]

Blasphemy? How about this?

Jesus is just a prophet, not God.
Jesus did not die on the cross.
Jesus has nothing to do with salvation.
The entire Bible is corrupted, mostly by corrupt Christians who falsified it.
The Trinity is a man-made idea.
Christianity is a creation of Paul, not Jesus or the Apostles.

These are all blasphemous ideas to almost all Christians, and yet they are the staple doctrines of Islam that are used constantly in debates with Christians and attempts to convert Christians.

Turn the other cheek? Allow a one-sided “dialog” (a contradiction in terms)? I don’t think so.

 

[outremer]

Decades from now, when Islam dominates major swaths of Europe, I wonder if there will be any Churchmen who will stand for the truth of Christ? Islam surely won’t fill that void.

 

[banarick]

From what I read in L’Osservatore Romano, the person to blame for the comment “blasphemous” is the editor.

It’s not even in the main body of the article. It’s in the title:

“Sparatoria in Texas a una mostra di vignette blasfeme”
Shooting in Texas at an exhibition of blasphemous cartoons

And here’s the part no-one will read, so you’re not alone DRonald:

Somehow I doubt that LOR is theologically precise all, or even most, of the time.

Since this is what happened how does Catholic Answers allow this misrepresentation to be spread on its website:shrug: