Vatican Cancels US Bishops’ Vote on Sex-Abuse Reform Measures

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Good article. The USCCB also has the video on YouTube. Archbishop Cordileone was right on point, I thought.
 
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Archbishop Thomas Wenski of Miami, Florida, joked at the beginning of his comments that the bishops should be glad Donald Trump is president; otherwise, the Church would be receiving even more attention and “bad press” than it already has.

He urged the bishops not to get “distracted” by the media and not to give in to the “industry and addiction” of outrage. Most people are not overly focused on the sex-abuse crisis, he said.

“People are coming to Church; they’re praying; they’re sending their kids to catechism [class]; the life of the Church is moving on. If you’re not reading the blogs, if you’re not watching cable TV, this is not front and center for most of our people,” he said.

“We’ve done a lot, we have to tell our story better and not get played in the outrage business, and get back to what we’re supposed to be doing as pastors,” he said to applause from some bishops.
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I’m sorry but going to add Wenski to the growing list of Bishops that are idiots! The joke was in poor taste. He is out of touch with the flock. I would love to know who the bishops were that applauded the respective comments.

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What I really don’t understand and am having a hard time with is why Cardinal Mahony was being given a platform and allowed to lecture other bishops yesterday despite his history and supposedly being barred from public ministry for his mishandling of abuse cases in the past. I suppose there was some wiggly way around it that allowed for this but it’s not a good look.
 
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Do you have a link for the video? I was looking but can’t seem to find it.
 
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Although, on a societal scale, I do not think this is a step forward.
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Neither do I,Tafan. But the Church is no place to inflict wounds but to heal them. And in turn,reach out once healed a bit to heal and provide comfort, not more problems.
A safe place as best as we can with God’s help .
And so around us as we can in turn
 
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Here is John Allen’s wrap-up:

https://cruxnow.com/news-analysis/2...here-things-stand-on-the-sexual-abuse-crisis/

I find it interesting that he keeps mentioning that the USCCB’s proposals only were sent to Rome on October 30, and that they contained some pretty glaring conflicts with canon law. That certainly explains why the Vatican would ask them to hold off on a vote, and also why the news came so late (because the Holy See had very little time to review the proposal to begin with).

I know we all want to see forward movement, and it’s disappointing to encounter what appears to some as a needless delay. But I certainly don’t want to see something thrown together without being properly thought through. With the Dallas charter already in place, right now we are ultimately talking about how bishops can be held accountable themselves.

Like it or not, how this is handled has ramifications on an ecclesiological level. If a commission is created to oversee the bishops, who oversees the commission? Does the commission then have greater authority than the successors to the apostles?

I don’t necessarily think these questions are unanswerable or that some solution cannot be found. But the questions do need to be addressed.
 
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With the Dallas charter already in place, right now we are ultimately talking about how bishops can be held accountable themselves.
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Thanks for posting the link, and the only thing I disagree with you about is this statement. It does seem to be mostly what the bishops are discussing, but there is the glaring issue of the seminaries. That appears to be a global problem and not limited to bishops or their accountability. I would go so far as saying it is likely the most important issue at this time.
 
Has anyone come across the Wednesday session? Watching it is so much better that reading someone’s opinion of it.
 
No, I am looking for it myself. I meant that watching the Tuesday session was so much better than reading paraphrased excerpts. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Thank you. I will keep looking too when I have time. If I find it I will post it. Hopefully someone else will post if they do first.
 
The proposal to be presented at the meeting would have to go to the Vatican as a courtesy. I guess it would be much like a district meeting for a major corporation. Here’s the rub - any proposals adopted/amended, etc… would have to be given to the Vatican anyway and would have been reviewed.

I keep telling myself “All things work for the good”. I’m just as perplexed as anyone . There are Bishops that do need to be held accountable. I keep thinking about Bishop Robert Finn. Google him - see what happened.
 
Did you ever think we would witness these sorts of events?

“In ordering the U.S. bishops to abstain from voting on measures aimed at addressing clerical sex abuse, Pope Francis may have inadvertently performed the most consequential and costly act of his papacy.”

What if it wasn’t “inadvertently performed?” What if this is intentional? Pope Francis would have to know that this was a very questionable move. I mean, you don’t get to be pope without being well educated, and he has a staff of lawyers (among others) as advisors. How can this be “inadvertent” when the sole reason the Vatican (and Pope Benedict) wasn’t prosecuted for the mess in Louisville, KY was that it was shown that they had no day to day control over of US diocesan operations or its policies to protect children. This was a very stupid thing to do. I don’t for one second believe that Pope Francis is a stupid man. This whole thing does not add up.
 
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I normally don’t out much stock in Brietbart news, but that is an interesting article. However, I doubt seriously if this scenario was ever considered by the Vatican, much less the Pope. Lawyers crafted an argument in 2010 to argue a case, I suspect Francis knows nothing about it.
I am not saying the article is wrong, but I am saying acting contract to a court argument made 8 years ago was neither intentional nor stupid. Just something not considered.
 
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