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Guar Fan:
I think the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops previously issued the opinion that it is acceptable to vote for a politician who supports legalized abortion
  1. if that politician is otherwise pro-life (against the death penalty, promotes increased access to health care, etc)
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  2. if the desire of voting for the politician is not based upon the abortion stance.
It will be interesting if the Synod issues an opinion on the topic.
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This is the first I have EVER heard of number 1. Do you have a link?

It would seem odd for the American Catholic Bishops to put oppostion to the death penalty , which takees maybe 100 lives a year, on the same moral plane , with oppostion to abortion which take 1.3 million lives a year.
 
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CatQuilt:
Section 64 was interesting too…

I will no longer vote for politicians who support the Culture of Death (abortion, embryonic stem cell research, ethanasia, gay marriage).
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AMEN!
 
MikeWM said:
“in cases of absolute necessity, in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however, as a result of steady improvement in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.” (Pope John Paul II)

You can support it in cases of absolute necessity - but certainly not to the extent the American right does.

Mike
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In your opinion. And it is important that people realize you are merely stating your opinion-not the teachings of the Church.

I vehemently oppose the death penalty but would not presume to mislead people by stating the Catholic Church’s teachings supports my view. When one mistates the Church’s view on the Death penalty it causes problems when we ennunciate the Church 's unambigus oppostion to abortion.
 
vern humphrey said:
“It is intellectually dishonest to say that being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion.”
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Neither one will lift a finger to help an unborn child.
 
Gottle of Geer:
That’s his opinion - just as Cardinal Kasper has his opinions, and Cardinal Danneels, and Cardinal Mahoney; as well as the former Cardinal Ratzinger.
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When Catholic Bishops state moral positions in union with Catholic teaching, it is not mere opinion. It is Catholic teaching. And laypersons are obliged to hear it “with religious submission of the will and intellect.” When Catholic Bishops state moral positions contrary to Catholic teaching, it is opinion.
 
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MikeWM:
Yes. Cardinal Ratzinger said the same last year:

The question then depends on what you think proportionate reasons are. For example, I would consider the fact that while Republicans make the right noises on abortion when election time comes around, they do precious little about it when in power. God judges us on our actions, not our words.

Mike
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huh? Is Roberts nominated by Bush a pro-abortion too? come out and face reality, or you’ll face Kuzka’s mother someday.
 
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miguel:
Neither one will lift a finger to help an unborn child.
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On the other hand, they will work to elect politicians who are known to support abortion on demand, and who do everything they can to keep pro-life judges on the bench.
 
vern humphrey:
On the other hand, they will work to elect politicians who are known to support abortion on demand, and who do everything they can to keep pro-life judges on the bench.
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Is that a typo?
 
In football and soccer, “on the bench” means “not playing”, I guess
 
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abcdefg:
In football and soccer, “on the bench” means “not playing”, I guess
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The only judges who are playing are on the bench. Sitting on the bench means one is an active judge.

The one thing I really fear here is in the next election we will not be given a choice. I think that we as Catholics whatever our party need to work for pro-life candidate in every office. A few months ago, a precinct worker came to my door asking for my vote for a city counsel position. I asked what is her stand on abortion. His answer was she is only running for city counsel and will not be involved in those issues. I said that no one got my vote unless I knew their stand on abortion.
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abcdefg:
You speak Vietnamese?
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Ya, phai.

I graduated from the Defense Language Institute in '66 and followed that by a tour as an adviser to a Viet Namese infantry unit. Afterwards I had all sorts of determination to keep up my proficiency, but my next tour I was a company commander, and when I got back to the States I started taking college courses.

And with one thing and another, I haven’t practiced in years.
 
Vatican Cardinal: Catholic Voters Can Never Be Justified in Voting for Pro-Abortion Politicians
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I have not read the entire thread, so excuse me if I am repeating what has already been said.

What about negative cohesion?

Could it not be justified by voting for a politican who’s only flaw is pro abortion, when this action would prevent a far worse pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro homosexual marrige politican from gaining power.
 
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Libero:
I have not read the entire thread, so excuse me if I am repeating what has already been said.

What about negative cohesion?

Could it not be justified by voting for a politican who’s only flaw is pro abortion, when this action would prevent a far worse pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro homosexual marrige politican from gaining power.
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If every viable (electable) candidate has the [serious] flaw of being pro-abortion, and there is also a heirarchy of other moral/life issues at hand, then one may vote the lesser of 2 evils, whereby abstaining from voting may in fact help to elect the politician running on a greater evil platform. (I think that I got that right).
 
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Libero:
I have not read the entire thread, so excuse me if I am repeating what has already been said.

What about negative cohesion?

Could it not be justified by voting for a politican who’s only flaw is pro abortion, when this action would prevent a far worse pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro homosexual marrige politican from gaining power.
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You are correct – if both candidates are more or less pro-abortion, we can make our decision based on other issues.

However, I’d ask a question here – what have we done to get a pro-life candidate? Have we actually joined one of the parties and worked toward that end? Have we tried to recruit a pro-life candidate? Have we, finding no such candidate, offered ourselves as candidates?

This is what I call the Parable of the Skydiver – don’t wait until you’ve jumped out of the plane without a prachute to ask “What should I do now?” Take action ahead of time.
 
I don’t think either party is really pro-life (being anti-abortion does not translate into being pro-life). What about thve lives of those that have been born. It’s not pro-life to stop your protection of life the minute is leaves the womb. Pro-life is from birth until natural death. Neither part has such a platform. Unfortunately, we just keep voting for the lesser of two evils. We have to stop doing this and insist on decent candidates. Why do you think such a small percentage of eligable voters actually go to the polls. I can’t vote for either major party. :mad:
 
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koda:
I don’t think either party is really pro-life (being anti-abortion does not translate into being pro-life). What about thve lives of those that have been born. It’s not pro-life to stop your protection of life the minute is leaves the womb. Pro-life is from birth until natural death. Neither part has such a platform. Unfortunately, we just keep voting for the lesser of two evils. We have to stop doing this and insist on decent candidates. Why do you think such a small percentage of eligable voters actually go to the polls. I can’t vote for either major party. :mad:
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I agree, I agree, I agree.

I think that part of the problem is that the terms Pro-life and
Pro-choice mean different things to different people. And you are right… neither party is Pro-life.
 
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Bella3502:
I agree, I agree, I agree.

I think that part of the problem is that the terms Pro-life and
Pro-choice mean different things to different people. And you are right… neither party is Pro-life.
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There is an old saying, “Perfection is the enemy of good.”

Last Saturday I did the layout and supervised set up of the Crosses for Life memorial in my county. For those who haven’t seen it, this is 4,000 little crosses, set up in an overall cross pattern, representing the average number of children killed by abortion each day in this country.

I can’t wave a magic wand and eliminate abortion 100% in this country. But if I find someone running for office who proposes measures to cut that number in half, I’ll support him. If he can’t cut it in half, maybe he can cut it by 10%.

Even a 1% reduction would be 40 lives saved each day – over 14,000 a year – would be a major victory. So I’m not going to quibble about whether a pro-life candidate is “reeely, reeely pro-life.” I’ll take the best I can get.
 
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