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Bella3502:
I agree, I agree, I agree.

I think that part of the problem is that the terms Pro-life and
Pro-choice mean different things to different people. And you are right… neither party is Pro-life.
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Pro-choice=pro-abortion=pro-death for the unborn. Make no bones about this. The whole basis of the pro-choice/-abort/-death camp is to get the public think otherwise, i.e., keep the target soft and hard to define in meaning.
 
felra said:
Pro-choice=pro-abortion=pro-death for the unborn. Make no bones about this. The whole basis of the pro-choice/-abort/-death camp is to get the public think otherwise, i.e., keep the target soft and hard to define in meaning.
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I had someone on another Catholic forum tell me, “It is intellectually dishonest to say pro-choice is the same is pro-abortion.”

My response was, “It is intellectually dishonest to say pro-choice is not the same is pro-abortion.”

“Pro-choice” is the proposition that the decision to kill a child has no moral implications. That is the proposition that undergirds all abortion.
 
vern humphrey:
I had someone on another Catholic forum tell me, “It is intellectually dishonest to say pro-choice is the same is pro-abortion.”

My response was, “It is intellectually dishonest to say pro-choice is not the same is pro-abortion.”

“Pro-choice” is the proposition that the decision to kill a child has no moral implications. That is the proposition that undergirds all abortion.
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It’s like trying to say you personally wouldn’t own slaves, but it’s perfectly OK for the guy next door to own them, since that is his “choice”. The cause of abolition is not advanced with such an attitude.
 
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miguel:
It’s like trying to say you personally wouldn’t own slaves, but it’s perfectly OK for the guy next door to own them, since that is his “choice”. The cause of abolition is not advanced with such an attitude.
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Or like saying, “I personally don’t beat my wife, but if my neighbor does, that’s his choice.”
 
vern humphrey:
Ya, phai.

I graduated from the Defense Language Institute in '66 and followed that by a tour as an adviser to a Viet Namese infantry unit. Afterwards I had all sorts of determination to keep up my proficiency, but my next tour I was a company commander, and when I got back to the States I started taking college courses.

And with one thing and another, I haven’t practiced in years.
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Toi hoc tieng viet khoang tu thang truoc
 
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abcdefg:
All right shame on me:o just give me another chance
Tôi học tiếng việt từ tháng trước.

They’re copy-n-pasted from various online sources.

Btw what other than that sentence is in your mind when you read that sentence?😉
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My initial impression was either you are able to hold a conversation with my southern exposure, or you have done something odd with a duck.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

In the old days, the Defense Language Institute allwoed only the target language in class – no English. My text (which I do not want to have to dig out) had two stick figures on the first page, one holding up a large rectangle, the other holding a small one, with the words “Gai nai lon” and Gai nai cu."

For the first three days I thought we were discussing the relative merits of bricks and concrete blocks.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
vern humphrey:
My initial impression was either you are able to hold a conversation with my southern exposure, or you have done something odd with a duck.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

In the old days, the Defense Language Institute allwoed only the target language in class – no English. My text (which I do not want to have to dig out) had two stick figures on the first page, one holding up a large rectangle, the other holding a small one, with the words “Gai nai lon” and Gai nai cu."

For the first three days I thought we were discussing the relative merits of bricks and concrete blocks.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
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What kind of conversion is it when no English was allowed in the class and the only word you knew is “chào”. nothing uncharitable for sure:D
 
abcdefg said:
“phục kích” or “mai phục” which is the funny word?
btw these two words are perfect for me to understand. almost the same as Mandarin pronunciation which is “fu2 ji1” and “mai2 fu2” (2 means high rising tone. 1 means high trailing tone in Mandarin)
written in Chu nom they’re http://sager-pc.cs.nyu.edu/vnpf/fon...r-pc.cs.nyu.edu/vnpf/fonts/image/Nom20987.png and http://sager-pc.cs.nyu.edu/vnpf/fon...edu/vnpf/fonts/image/Nom20239.pngrespectively. Perfect Chinese.
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The first – say it fast and loud. 🙂
 
vern humphrey:
The first – say it fast and loud. 🙂
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Got it. See? Mandarin does sound better than Vietnamese occasionally. I’m wondering what the Cantonese pronunciation of that word is now. according to my experience, it should be no better than Vietnamese
 
Barbara Ann:
I asked what is her stand on abortion. His answer was she is only running for city counsel and will not be involved in those issues. I said that no one got my vote unless I knew their stand on abortion.
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I’ve had the same issue with local candidates too. The thing is, it is a lie that it has nothing to do with a local candidate. Not only do they eventually become candidates for higher offices, they can also be creative in their local positions. For example: If we can bar strip-clubs from our neighborhoods because they are immoral, yet legal, why not apply this or similar logic to abortion mills? It would probably get turned down in a court somewhere, but a local candidate could at least try things like this.
 
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mvinca:
I’ve had the same issue with local candidates too. The thing is, it is a lie that it has nothing to do with a local candidate. Not only do they eventually become candidates for higher offices, they can also be creative in their local positions. For example: If we can bar strip-clubs from our neighborhoods because they are immoral, yet legal, why not apply this or similar logic to abortion mills? It would probably get turned down in a court somewhere, but a local candidate could at least try things like this.
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When I was running for Congress, my answer was,
Who seeks to justify the killing of a human being must meet the highest standard of justification. That standard does not vary with the age, physical condition, sex, race, or religion of the victim.
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vern humphrey:
Who seeks to justify the killing of a human being must meet the highest standard of justification. That standard does not vary with the age, physical condition, sex, race, or religion of the victim.
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What exactly does that mean? :confused:
 
It might sound strange to some. But, no matter how small the political job someone is trying be elected for, the voter should know how they stand on major issues. The person that is running for animal conrtoll today could be running for school board tomorrow and so on. Once they have been elected to several smaller offices it is sometimes far to late to do anything to stop the rise to far more important places.

IMHO It is those first few offices they hold to find their stand on important things.
 
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