Remember, the Diocese of Lincon has a community and seminary of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (which formed by members who broke off from SSPX in 1988) and I assume the Tridentine Mass is therefore very generously offered in that diocese.
I think most bishops don’t excommunicate people because they don’t want to stir the pot. I’d go full bore after people like CTA or other modernist groups before I’d do so with the SSPX. I think we’ll have a much easier time getting them to get back into line, but not so with the liberal groups.Perhaps other bishops don’t excommunicate Catholics who belong to schismatic Traditionalist organizations in their dioceses because the Tridentine Mass is much less offered?
Without meaning to seem Clintonesque, I’m wondering what the definition of “in” is – as in “in his diocese.” Were a member of CTA who lives elsewhere in the country happen to visit Lincoln on, say, a business trip, are they excommunicated by their presence in the diocese? Or, does the person have to be a resident in the Lincoln diocese, or further, an enrolled member of a parish under the bishop’s jurisdiction? Just curious how Canon Law deals with the geographic impact of a bishop’s authority.A bishop can only excommunicate someone in his diocese and cannot excommunicate someone outside their diocese. However the excommunication holds true for the person’s entire association with Christianity, inside and outside the diocese.
The bishop of Rome can excommunicate any Catholic.
The 2nd bishop has to recognize the excommunication of the principal bishop, however he does not have to excommuncate someone in his diocese.
Again, the bishop of Rome can excommunicate any Catholic.
For more information see:
newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm
Without meaning to seem Clintonesque, I’m wondering what the definition of “in” is – as in “in his diocese.” Were a member of CTA who lives elsewhere in the country happen to visit Lincoln on, say, a business trip, are they excommunicated by their presence in the diocese? Or, does the person have to be a resident in the Lincoln diocese, or further, an enrolled member of a parish under the bishop’s jurisdiction? Just curious how Canon Law deals with the geographic impact of a bishop’s authority.
I would say that people do not excommunicate themselves. Excommunication is specifically a punishment, albeit a medicinal one. What you are thinking of is mortal sin. Essentially, the effects of mortal sin are identical to the effects of excommunication, except that it is possible to die excommunicated and still go to heaven. This is because mortal sin and excommunication do not necessarily occur simultaneously, although that is the case in the vast majority of instances, because an excommunication is really only handed down for reasons of publicly announced/performed mortal sin.Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t people excommunicate themselves? Isn’t it an action that the people make? Something they choose? I know that it is something the Church rules on, but, it really isn’t so complicated.
Actually the Church recognizes automatic excommunication which is triggered by certain acts.I would say that people do not excommunicate themselves.
catholicherald.com/saunders/03ws/ws030220.htmOn one hand, the penalty of excommunication can be imposed by a proper authority (ferendae sententiae) or incurred automatically (latae sententiae)…A person who is an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic (no. 1364); or one who procures a successful abortion (1398) is automatically excommunicated. In these cases, the local ordinary or a delegated priest can remit the penalty.
That has already been described: A repudiation of your errant thinking/actions including official resignation, sacramental confession and penance and hopefully being asked to recite, accept and embrace the Creed. If your membership was a “public” sin, as in you told others of your dissent and activities and perhaps even recruited members to CTA, then you should likewise publically repudiate the organization and do your best to make ammends.They have to get the excommunication lifted, but I have no idea what that entails. Sack cloth and ashes?
I’m no lawyer, but my understanding is that theoretically the bishop is responsible for all those residing in, not just traveling through his diocese. However, at least in the United States it seems to be a practice of most bishops to allow people to register in the parish of their choice regardless of their precise residence. Where this is permitted, such a person is treated as belonging to the parish in which they are registered. But this is a special exception, and I believe that the general rule would be by residence.Without meaning to seem Clintonesque, I’m wondering what the definition of “in” is – as in “in his diocese.” Were a member of CTA who lives elsewhere in the country happen to visit Lincoln on, say, a business trip, are they excommunicated by their presence in the diocese? Or, does the person have to be a resident in the Lincoln diocese, or further, an enrolled member of a parish under the bishop’s jurisdiction? Just curious how Canon Law deals with the geographic impact of a bishop’s authority.
Excommunication is not intended to be a boot out the door. It is intended to be a bucket of ice-cold water thrown in your face. We should not desire the excommunication of anyone. Someone who dies in a state of excommunication is going to have a difficult time just avoiding Hell outright.That’s right excommunicate the lot of them and be done with it