Vatican consultant responds to Cardinal Mahoney ‘Christ gave Judas communion’ argument

[Corki]

Cardinal Mahony ( no ‘e’) has submitted his resignation and it has been accepted. He is now retired. He has no subordinate bishops or priests.

Exactly. Cardinal Mahony is a retired Bishop and while he is still able to vote in a conclave, he no longer has a position of authority in a diocese. He’s not the first Bishop to retire and then start making statements that seem out of line.

As for the Judas remark. At the time Jesus gave Judas Communion, he was not a known, public sinner. The same cannot be said for pro-abortion politicians. Apples to oranges.

 

[Bendecida]

It brings me know joy to say that this just confirms everything I suspected about Roger Mahony.

 

[estesbob]

I think, however, that comparing Catholics who support abortion to Judas is a very approporiate comparison.

 

[Bendecida]

Sorry, I meant to say “no joy.” How could I have made such a simple error?

 

[Peggy_in_Burien]

This does not say that Judas left him here. In fact, he is speaking to all of the Twelve here.

I’m just quoting the Bible. Some one asked for the reference, and I quoted it word for word. St. John is, of course, speaking about Judas, from the position of a “Monday morning quarterback.”

 

[John21652]

I’m just quoting the Bible. Some one asked for the reference, and I quoted it word for word. St. John is, of course, speaking about Judas, from the position of a “Monday morning quarterback.”

Er, scuse please, but what on Earth is a “Monday morning quaterback”?

 

[Corki]

Er, scuse please, but what on Earth is a “Monday morning quaterback”?

It’s a derogatory term as being used for one of the Evangelists.

 

[dans0622]

I don’t think it’s necessarily derogatory. It simply means that St. John wrote his Gospel after the events happened. So, he has the benefit of hindsight (as well as the benefit of Divine inspiration). The Monday morning quarterback is so-called because he can see how the football game on Sunday played out and can say what caused certain things to happen or what could have happened.

Dan

 

[John21652]

It’s a derogatory term as being used for one of the Evangelists.

Well gee, that really tells me a lot.
I’d already guessed St. John was an evangelist.
I even guessed Peggy wasn’t being complimentary in her use of that term.

Let me take another guess, I can now go around insulting people by calling them a “monday morning quarterback”.
So if your answer doesn’t tell me much, I get to call your answer a “monday morning quaterback” answer.

Is that how it works?

 

[Brendan]

American Football games are generally played on Sunday. The quarterback is the person who calls what that particular play will be when his side has controll of the ball ( who will try and go were to try and catch the ball)

To be a “Monday Morning Quarterback” is an idiom pretty somewhat similar to stating 'hindsight is 20\20".

 

[Corki]

Well gee, that really tells me a lot.
I’d already guessed St. John was an evangelist.
I even guessed Peggy wasn’t being complimentary in her use of that term.

Let me take another guess, I can now go around insulting people by calling them a “monday morning quarterback”.
So if your answer doesn’t tell me much, I get to call your answer a “monday morning quaterback” answer.

Is that how it works?

In most situations, it’s not really that insulting so if that’s your chosen insult, you may not get much reaction. It is not very respectful to use it to characterize the writings of St. John, IMHO. But, hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[John21652]

In most situations, it’s not really that insulting so if that’s your chosen insult, you may not get much reaction. It is not very respectful to use it to characterize the writings of St. John, IMHO. But, hey, whatever floats your boat.

Well firstly, I asked what the phrase meant.
Secondly, you failed dismally to even get close to explaining what it meant.
Obviously when it is applied to your non informative response it riles you.
Which means it must really be an insult where you come from.
Which contradicts what you say about it not getting much reaction.

And, by the way, I’m not the one who used it in reference to St. John.

 

[John21652]

American Football games are generally played on Sunday. The quarterback is the person who calls what that particular play will be when his side has controll of the ball ( who will try and go were to try and catch the ball)

To be a “Monday Morning Quarterback” is an idiom pretty somewhat similar to stating 'hindsight is 20\20".

Well thank you Brendan. Now I get it. So a Monday morning Quarterback would be a so called ‘expert’ who comes up with all the criticism after the game? Right?

I didn’t know they played American Football in Jerusalem in those days!!
I’m only kidding.

 

[Peggy_in_Burien]

Well gee, that really tells me a lot.
I’d already guessed St. John was an evangelist.
I even guessed Peggy wasn’t being complimentary in her use of that term.

Let me take another guess, I can now go around insulting people by calling them a “monday morning quarterback”.
So if your answer doesn’t tell me much, I get to call your answer a “monday morning quaterback” answer.

Is that how it works?

Now don’t all of you assign “insulting” and “derrogatory” to the term “Monday Morning Quarterback” You guys have no idea what I have in my mind and heart!!!

Just to let you know, I used the term because St. John was, indeed, looking at the situation from many year in the future. He didn’t have the power to mind-read, as Our Lord did. He couldn’t have known what was in Judas’ heart, any more than you or I could. But I am sure that Our Lord, when St. John sat on Patmos and wrote his Gospel, gave St. John this knowlege. At least, that is what Sister Francis Pascal said, God rest her soul.

Being a Monday Morning Quarterback simply refers that St. John was assessing what was in Judas’ heart with knowlege that St. John didn’t have at the time.

Don’t you dare say that I was insulting St. John!!!

 

[John21652]

Now don’t all of you assign “insulting” and “derrogatory” to the term “Monday Morning Quarterback” You guys have no idea what I have in my mind and heart!!!

Just to let you know, I used the term because St. John was, indeed, looking at the situation from many year in the future. He didn’t have the power to mind-read, as Our Lord did. He couldn’t have known what was in Judas’ heart, any more than you or I could. But I am sure that Our Lord, when St. John sat on Patmos and wrote his Gospel, gave St. John this knowlege. At least, that is what Sister Francis Pascal said, God rest her soul.

Being a Monday Morning Quarterback simply refers that St. John was assessing what was in Judas’ heart with knowlege that St. John didn’t have at the time.

Don’t you dare say that I was insulting St. John!!!

Most humble apology if you thought I thought you were “insulting” St. John.
We have sayings that are something similar here, and they are usually in similar ways to the way in which you used this one. I saw no insult. Only corki did.

 

[baylee]

Now don’t all of you assign “insulting” and “derrogatory” to the term “Monday Morning Quarterback” You guys have no idea what I have in my mind and heart!!!

Just to let you know, I used the term because St. John was, indeed, looking at the situation from many year in the future. He didn’t have the power to mind-read, as Our Lord did. He couldn’t have known what was in Judas’ heart, any more than you or I could. But I am sure that Our Lord, when St. John sat on Patmos and wrote his Gospel, gave St. John this knowlege. At least, that is what Sister Francis Pascal said, God rest her soul.

Being a Monday Morning Quarterback simply refers that St. John was assessing what was in Judas’ heart with knowlege that St. John didn’t have at the time.

Don’t you dare say that I was insulting St. John!!!

Wow Peggy…so sorry you got that sort of response. You were responding to me (and the fact that Judas hadn’t left Jesus at that point in time) and I completely got what you meant. I’m guessing that those who thought you were derogatory completely missed our exchange.

 

[wisdomseeker]

well if its Christs Body and blood and He gave it to Judas i hardly think that’s bad

Yeah, and we know how Judas went down from there. any way, there is no comparisson here. after Jesus died, the Apostles is now teach how the Body and Blood should be received. this a problem for the Church when certain bishop thinks he has authority to preach what he wills wihtout any regarding for what the Church teaches. By their fruits you shall know them.

 

[Tigg]

Cardinal Mahony ( no ‘e’) has submitted his resignation and it has been accepted. He is now retired. He has no subordinate bishops or priests.

Good point, however, I fear his misguided statements will be quoted for a very long time.

 

[wild_thing]

Any person whose sins are public like pro-abortion politicians should not be given communion. Bottom line. Judas’ sin was not public at the Last Supper.

If we were still living in the Middle Ages, these politicians would have been excommunicated from the Church a long time ago. Is it too harsh to say maybe we ought to bring that practice back?