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rfournier103
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Hopefully the Holy See and the SSPX can find a way to bring the SSPX back into FULL communion with the Church.
Glad they’re still talking, at least…
Glad they’re still talking, at least…
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RPRPsych
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Here we go again. 
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Don_Ruggero
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There is the saying “Hope springs eternal.” I’ve only been watching this now for just over 40 years. I remember everyone being breathless at the Archbishop’s first suspension. In 1976.Here we go again.
The topic came up at lunch and I made a comment about the passing of the decades and my confrere reminded me, “Surely, Father, you remember what we said when you and I were young. The Church inhales and exhales across centuries. It’s only forty years, after all.” Indeed.
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ProVobis
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What’s the point of publishing this really non-event except to allow SSPX detractors to dig in their heels deeper?
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Don_Ruggero
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I believe the point of the secretary of Ecclesia Dei making this public statement is to assert that, in fact, the recent statement by the head of the SSPX was not a declaration of the actual terminus of any attempt at reconciliation.
If, actually, there is no desire for reconciliation – and if none is viable – there are implications in terms of the current concession of faculties favouring the penitents who are seeking absolution from these priests and also the question of imposition of enhanced canonical penalties, for example.
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commenter
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This refers to the organizational level. Keep in mind besides this hypothetical group-swim across the Tiber which might, or might not, happen in the future, there are ongoing, individual swims across the Tiber each year happening now. Priests occasionally become regularized now, when they are ready. Families consider their local situation and their own family spiritual needs, and, when they are ready, choose to join a parish and support and benefit from orthodox ministries in their diocese.
Families may have different needs now than when they joined the chapel; both the chapels and SSPX have changed; and some dioceses are a lot different than they were when those chapels were founded. It is odd why certain media, and CAF, give enormous attention to the organizational issue, and so little to family need issues.
I can easily see why one priest may be ready to “regularize” this year, but another priest, at a different point in life or in a different diocese, might not feel ready. Some may never feel ready. A one-size-fits-all option - the group-swim - seems not as good as the personal choice, swim-when-you-are-ready option. The actual should get more attention than the hypothetical.
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ProVobis
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Maybe but how does one explain the new priests (and seminarians) who come into the FSSPX fold? If only joining the FSSP were the answer to everything…
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commenter
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…and seminarians are also getting ordained as into the Anglican churches, PNCC, Lutherans, SSPV, and, at least in Europe, the SSPX Resistance is recruiting its own. In 1975 the SSPX seminary professors, superiors, and almost all clergy, had extensively worked in a diocese, in the Catholic Church far more than they had worked in SSPX. Today’s younger clergy have rarely worked in the Church, and are taught and mentored by people who rarely have worked in the Church, never trained or participated in a diocese. It’s a different organization now, with its own tradition. That’s what the seminarians are joining.
I am not qualified to describe its status from a theological POV. From a sociological POV, it used to be an extension of the Catholic Church, but now it’s a totally separate denomination. That change happened very gradually. So it would not be priests “rejoining” the Church, but “joining” the Church. That needs to be discerned individually, not one-size-fits-all.
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ProVobis
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Yes, and this will ensure that all these groups will be around for awhile. Just sayin…
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