Vatican Cover Letter Says Gay Priests Shouldn't Lead Seminaries

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Vatican Cover Letter Says Gay Priests Shouldn’t Lead Seminaries
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By Stacy Meichtry
Religion News Service http://images.beliefnet.com/imgs/x.gif http://images.beliefnet.com/imgs/x_ccc.gif Vatican City – Gay priests are not to lead or teach at Catholic seminaries even though their ordination is valid, according to a newly disclosed cover letter accompanying Vatican guidelines on homosexuality.
As U.S. bishops wonder how much discretion they have in interpreting and implementing the guidelines, released Tuesday, the cover letter appears to communicate that the Vatican expects concrete steps to be taken.
 
The accompanying letter said it should be “clear that the aforementioned norms are to be faithfully observed by all superiors” involved in admission of candidates to the priesthood.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0506807.htm
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I take the liberty to remind you that at the end the Pope has requested, with his signature, that this phrase be published in the document: “The Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI, on 31 August 2005, approved this present Instruction and ordered its publication.”

The authority of the Pope is implicated by the fact that it is a text of a congregation, and the congregation responsible for Catholic education, which counted on the collaboration of the Congregation for Divine Worship – two important congregations.

There are texts of congregations that are working documents; they have no need of the explicit approval of the Pope. Here, his approval is given and the order that it be published. The Pope’s authority is present.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=80969
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It seems no matter how Rome says it, some will just not obey.
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The document and the letter both use clear and strong words. It is obstinant rebellion to not follow their instruction. And again, the laity will be forced to ask what the lines around the Catholic Church are.

In the long term, the Church will come out ahead as these instructions are irrefutable. In the short term their will be hostility toward’s the Vatican. Laity must educate themselves to what is really true so as to counterbalance and refute arguments of dissidents. It is our duty to ourselves, our family, and future generations.
 
I agree with the idea that homosexuals should not be the leaders of seminaries, not so sure about preventing any homosexual from teaching.
 
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I agree with the idea that homosexuals should not be the leaders of seminaries, not so sure about preventing any homosexual from teaching.
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If you’ve been reading a few of the articles lately about gay priests speaking out, you’d know that none admits that being gay is abnormal. With this fact in mind, do you really think it’s a good idea to allow homosexual to teach?? I wouldn’t take any chance on it if I want to purge the Church of all the dissidents. I’m hopeful for a new springtime in the near future. Rome is treading very carefully here, we’d be wise to listen.
 
If you’ve been reading a few of the articles lately about gay priests speaking out, you’d know that none admits that being gay is abnormal. With this fact in mind, do you really think it’s a good idea to allow homosexual to teach?? I wouldn’t take any chance on it if I want to purge the Church of all the dissidents. I’m hopeful for a new springtime in the near future. Rome is treading very carefully here, we’d be wise to listen.
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Yes, I do think that it is a good idea to let a “gay” preach. There is not some strange psychological problem that prevents a homosexual from teaching a set lesson. I have many teachers who wont agree with some topics that they have to teach, but that does not mean they will go about sharing opinion, declaring topics as worthless or incorrect.

Just tell them to specialise in something that doesn’t involve homosexuality.

I fear that many people seem to believe homosexuals incompetent people who cannot practice some restraint, even in the simplest form of teaching a lesson. 😦
 
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Yes, I do think that it is a good idea to let a “gay” preach. There is not some strange psychological problem that prevents a homosexual from teaching a set lesson. I have many teachers who wont agree with some topics that they have to teach, but that does not mean they will go about sharing opinion, declaring topics as worthless or incorrect.

Just tell them to specialise in something that doesn’t involve homosexuality.

I fear that many people seem to believe homosexuals incompetent people who cannot practice some restraint, even in the simplest form of teaching a lesson. 😦
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Who said anything about gay having problems teaching. It is of what they believe that they teach, or teach without conviction. You said you have many teachers who teach what they don’t agree. Are they seminary teachers and how would you know if they don’t share opinions or declare certain topics as worthless. It is not an impossiblity. Why do you think there many dissident priests. There can be many reasons and having bad teachers who don’t believe in what they teach is no doubt one of the reason. I’ve met one priest who’s totally out of sync with the Church. Who knows what gay priests are capable or incapable of teaching, but just knowing that they disagree w/ the Church on homosexuality, I’d be prudent about having them as teachers. Same with any dissident priests. Better to have priests who teach with conviction because of what they believe than to just teach.
 
There can be many reasons and having bad teachers who don’t believe in what they teach is no doubt one of the reason. I’ve met one priest who’s totally out of sync with the Church. Who knows what gay priests are capable or incapable of teaching, but just knowing that they disagree w/ the Church on homosexuality, I’d be prudent about having them as teachers. Same with any dissident priests. Better to have priests who teach with conviction because of what they believe than to just teach.
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But just because a person is a homosexual does not mean that they have to share the “gay agenda”, we cannot just make the assumption that homosexual priests are going to want to teach contrary to the church’s views on homosexuality.
 
Anyone who read Michael Rose’s book, Goodbye, Good Men knows that this is a good and prudent ruling. The stuff cited in book about the instructors at some of the seminaries was shocking. Hopefully, this will usher in an era of orthodoxy and holiness.
 
The instruction recognizes that homosexual men are structurally incomplete with respect to their own sexuality and therefore incapable of assuming the role of Christ as bridgroom in relation to the Church and as spiritual father to lay Catholics. This is true whether or not a particular homosexual person can be personally celibate and opts to remain in the closet about the reality of his nature.

One interesting issue for me is the effect of the ordination of a man with “deep rooted homosexual tendencies” from here onwards. Any such man who defrauds the seminary officials and the bishop in question has wrongfully procured the administration of the sacrament. Does this invalidate the ordination? The analogy to marriage comes to mind. Of course, the marriage vow is essentially based on concepts of contract. Is Holy Orders properly viewed in the same way? I think so but would be interested in hearing others’ views.

On a related matter, I think the instruction spoke to the continuing validity of the ordination of gay priests ordained in the past more in recognition of a sad but powerful practical reality than anything else.
 
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Anyone who read Michael Rose’s book, Goodbye, Good Men knows that this is a good and prudent ruling. The stuff cited in book about the instructors at some of the seminaries was shocking. Hopefully, this will usher in an era of orthodoxy and holiness.
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I’ve read that book and it was indeed an eye opener. The thing is that good orthodox candidates have been rejected into the seminary because of their beliefs, while liberal gay candidates were sometimes accepted as priests, at least according to Goodbye Good Men this happened quite often.
 
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