Vatican defrocks one, removes eight others from ministry years after allegations

[tuopaolo]

TPJCatholic:

otm,

A solution is simple. Limit the amount of any award tom 20% of the total worth of any diocese.

That would be better than what we have today but the civil courts shouldn’t have jurisdiction over the Church and her assets in the first place. Some civil governmental entities are immune from lawsuits and the same immunity should be accorded the sacred government of the Church.

 

[TPJCatholic]

tuopaolo,

I agree, it is just that very real harm has been done and the victims deserve at least medical compensation. I think the Church should have to suffer a price for this mess…I just don’t think that diocese’s should have to be forced into selling all theri assets…it is not a just response because it makes victims of thousands of innocent Catholics.

 

[4HisChurch]

John Dove:

I am wondering just how many of those who were hurt emotioinally by their priests, have embarked on becoming even more converted to the Lord and His sacraments? There are wrong things being done by false teachers but this does not nullify the church that Christ organized through Peter. John

You bring up an excellent point, John Dove. Thankfully, by the time this scandal broke, I had returned to the Church and my faith was solid enough to withstand this onslaught. I wish I had statistics on the spiritual affect of the abuse, but, I suspect that most victims struggle with Catholicism and probably many do leave. I know of one victim who is now a fundamentalist protestant and is very anti-Catholic. I know of another abuse victim (the perpetrator was not a priest) who has left the Church as well and has a very hard time with authority.

 

[tuopaolo]

TPJCatholic:

tuopaolo,

I agree, it is just that very real harm has been done and the victims deserve at least medical compensation. I think the Church should have to suffer a price for this mess

The Church or the individuals involved can offer compensation based on an obligation founded in the virtue of justice without being unlawfully and unjustly coerced to do so by civil courts. If the individuals involved are laicized then I wouldn’t have any objection to them being sued in civil courts since after laicization they are no longer clerics. The Church also has her own laws, courts and legal principles and the victims can pursue their cases that way, especially if it is justice, not money, that they are after.

…I just don’t think that diocese’s should have to be forced into selling all theri assets…it is not a just response because it makes victims of thousands of innocent Catholics.

Did you know that some of them are suing the Holy See and Pope Benedict XVI? It’s crazy.

 

[TPJCatholic]

tuopaolo,

I agree…it is about justice, not money.

I did not hear about lawsuits against the Holy See’ and the Pope…that is just nuts.

 

[TPJCatholic]

"The Sacred Sacrament of Holy Orders will be ridiculed, oppressed and despised. …The demon will try to persecute the Ministers of the Lord in every possible way and he will labor with cruel and subtle astuteness to deviate them from the spirit of their vocation, corrupting many of them. These corrupted priests, who will scandalize the Christian people, will incite the hatred of the bad Christians and the enemies of the Roman, Catholic and Apostolic Church to fall upon all priests. T

This apparent triumph of Satan will bring enormous sufferings to the good Pastors of the Church…" “Moreover, in these unhappy times, there will be unbridled luxury which, acting thus to snare the rest into sin, will conquer innumerable frivolous souls who will be lost. Innocence will almost no longer be found in children, nor modesty in women, and in this supreme moment of need of the Church, those who should speak will fall silent.”

The above text is an excerpt from prophecies made by the Venerable Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres. She made the statements in the 18th century and she was speaking about the 20th century. The Priest sex abuses were commited in the 20th century! Appirations she received have been approved.

See more of the text here:

catholic-sacredart.com/ologs.htm

 

[Lisa_N]

tuopaolo:

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Did you know that some of them are suing the Holy See and Pope Benedict XVI? It’s crazy.

Yeah and worse yet, someone on this board was convinced because attorneys for the Church were trying to get the Vatican and the Pope removed from the case it meant the Pope was “back to hiding sexual abuse.”

It’s just very typical for attorneys to use the “spaghetti on the wall” method. They sue everyone remotely connected with a case and everyone remotely connected to the remotely connected hoping to find a few loose shekels. It’s like throwing a bowl of spaghetti at the wall and hoping some of it sticks. IOW it doesn’t mean the Vatican had ANYTHING to do with the case, just SOP for attorneys.

Lisa N

 

[maggiec]

John Dove:

I am wondering just how many of those who were hurt emotioinally by their priests, have embarked on becoming even more converted to the Lord and His sacraments? I know from my own sexual abuse, before I found the Church, that I became more involved in a Christian walk when I grew up and realized what had been done to me as a child. Since I have the TRUE church now, I would think that if I truely believed that the Catholic Church was Christ’s true church, that I would draw closer to Christ, the Church, and the Sacraments to gain healing and peace. There is no way that money would bring about any healing in my spirit and mind. If I could go back and sue the heck out of my father’s cousin (who is dead now) and gain monetary gain from this, I know for a fact that this would not help me spiritually, physically and mentally. Money does not heal. If anything it would only bring in a whole new factor to the equation, and that would be greed. The church is true regardless of how or what her priests or laymen and parishoners do. This is why the gates of hell cannot tear it down. There are wrong things being done by false teachers but this does not nullify the church that Christ organized through Peter. John

 

[maggiec]

John Dove:

I am wondering just how many of those who were hurt emotioinally by their priests, have embarked on becoming even more converted to the Lord and His sacraments? I know from my own sexual abuse, before I found the Church, that I became more involved in a Christian walk when I grew up and realized what had been done to me as a child. Since I have the TRUE church now, I would think that if I truely believed that the Catholic Church was Christ’s true church, that I would draw closer to Christ, the Church, and the Sacraments to gain healing and peace. There is no way that money would bring about any healing in my spirit and mind. If I could go back and sue the heck out of my father’s cousin (who is dead now) and gain monetary gain from this, I know for a fact that this would not help me spiritually, physically and mentally. Money does not heal. If anything it would only bring in a whole new factor to the equation, and that would be greed. The church is true regardless of how or what her priests or laymen and parishoners do. This is why the gates of hell cannot tear it down. There are wrong things being done by false teachers but this does not nullify the church that Christ organized through Peter. John

John, I am so sorry for what happened to you. It happened in my family also.
My sister died at 34 of liver cancer and my 1st husband and I adopted 2 of her 7 children. About 6 months after we adopted the boys the oldest, then 12, was invited to go on a retreat with one of the priests in our parish. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you the results.
The life of my family came to an end. My then husband (deceased in 1992) would have nothing more to do with the church. My adopted son, after loosing his mother and then having someone he trusted do this to him hit bottom. I taught ccd, was a eucharist minister, a lector and kept books for the parish, I say was because everything was taken away from me. My adopted son, even with help has tried to kill himself several times. I don’t give a damn about money. The man that did this should be punished, should go to jail. The church higher ups made bad decisions by not taking care of the problem instead of moving priests around. It happened here to.
I left the church for many years. I found my way back with the help of a godly bishop and wonderful priest. My son is undergoing shock therapy. His latest suicide attempt was 3 months ago. I don’t know if he will ever be able to function in this world.
Please pray for my family and all other abused. The whole family suffers. It continues through their lives.
maggiec

 

[Olympia]

I REPEAT: Whythis endless squabble about civil lawsuits, money, and payoffs to the grieving parents?

Where is the outrage? The logical consequence of criminal actions is criminal prosecution, followed by a term in jail, followed by being fired from the position once held, followed by society in general ostracizing the perpetrator and never giving him the chance to commit another heinous molestation of innocent children.

I REPEAT:

The really sick thing that came out of all this was not the fact that priests have feet of clay, but that all this was COVERED UP. In return for a payment from the diocese, everyone hushed everything up. I would have reported the incident to the police immediately, I don’t care howhigh up the perpetrator was placed. This is a criminal matter as well as a civil matter. I think the existing diocese officials bear the greater burden of guilt in this matter.

IMHO: Priests should NEVER or RARELY be transferred out of their diocese. Same thing for bishops. What do you think???

 

[Shoshana]

maggiec:

John, I am so sorry for what happened to you. It happened in my family also.
My sister died at 34 of liver cancer and my 1st husband and I adopted 2 of her 7 children. About 6 months after we adopted the boys the oldest, then 12, was invited to go on a retreat with one of the priests in our parish. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you the results.
The life of my family came to an end. My then husband (deceased in 1992) would have nothing more to do with the church. My adopted son, after loosing his mother and then having someone he trusted do this to him hit bottom. I taught ccd, was a eucharist minister, a lector and kept books for the parish, I say was because everything was taken away from me. My adopted son, even with help has tried to kill himself several times. I don’t give a damn about money. The man that did this should be punished, should go to jail. The church higher ups made bad decisions by not taking care of the problem instead of moving priests around. It happened here to.
I left the church for many years. I found my way back with the help of a godly bishop and wonderful priest. My son is undergoing shock therapy. His latest suicide attempt was 3 months ago. I don’t know if he will ever be able to function in this world.
Please pray for my family and all other abused. The whole family suffers. It continues through their lives.
maggiec