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Vatican Disputes Media Report that JPII Beatification is Imminent
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crystalmakowski
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Last month, I actually went to visit Poland for the first time (my dad is from Poland). It was amazing to see how much Krakow and other cities and villages reveered Pope John Paul II. For the people of Poland, who’s country has endured so much bloodshed and absolute travesties over the centuries, the Pope John Paul II is viewed as a miracle and an impetus of hope, as well as comfort for the country. In all the major cities, as well as villages, they have constructed gorgeous statues and memorials of their beloved pope, as well as other beautiful reminders everywhere.
Although I am sure that Poland would absolutely love and would be honored to host the ceremony for Pope John Paul II, I doubt that there will be much controversy for the ceremony to be held regarding Rome hosting the ceremony. I agree with the Vatican when they say that the Pope belongs to the universal church. I have also heard many people refer to Pope John Paul II as the “People’s Pope,” meaning that he was loved by all nations, religions, and generations (young and old). Since Rome is the central city for Catholicism for the world, I believe that it is only appropriate for the ceremony to take place there.
I do know that Poland will always consider Pope John Paull II as “their special Pope” and will always have a particular love and tenderness for him that probably has not been competed with others.
I do have a question though: Why does beatification and canonization process take so long for persons that have pretty much been considered internationally as “living saints” such as Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa, respectfully? I don’t think there is anything more miraculous that they could have done to be considered eligible.
Also, does it help for us to pray to these persons so that miracles can be performed so that they can go through this process?
Although I am sure that Poland would absolutely love and would be honored to host the ceremony for Pope John Paul II, I doubt that there will be much controversy for the ceremony to be held regarding Rome hosting the ceremony. I agree with the Vatican when they say that the Pope belongs to the universal church. I have also heard many people refer to Pope John Paul II as the “People’s Pope,” meaning that he was loved by all nations, religions, and generations (young and old). Since Rome is the central city for Catholicism for the world, I believe that it is only appropriate for the ceremony to take place there.
I do know that Poland will always consider Pope John Paull II as “their special Pope” and will always have a particular love and tenderness for him that probably has not been competed with others.
I do have a question though: Why does beatification and canonization process take so long for persons that have pretty much been considered internationally as “living saints” such as Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa, respectfully? I don’t think there is anything more miraculous that they could have done to be considered eligible.
Also, does it help for us to pray to these persons so that miracles can be performed so that they can go through this process?
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Steve_O_Brien
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Pope John Paul II cannot be beatified.
The former Pontiff did not manifest the heroic virtue necessary for beatification and sainthood. Proof? Please consider his *laissez-faire *governance of the Church. This less-than resolute shepherding of the flock included the refusal to excommunicate nominally Catholic politicians who used their voices and votes to allow unborn children to be killed in the womb via legalized abortion, an act which John Paul II himself told us was “murder” (section 58 of the encyclical Evangelium vitae). This refusal to use the authority given by Christ to his vicar is one of the most disturbing scandals in the whole history of Catholicism.
We should be grateful for John Paul II’s accomplishments, the greatest of which was his publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, but our gratitude does not require us to endorse the misguided idea of canonizing him.
Please see what John Paul II’s catechism says in section 2285 about the relationship between the sin of scandal and the authority of the person giving scandal.
Right now, the Vatican is trying to bring schismatic “traditionalists” in Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s movement back to the one true Church. Talk about canonizing John Paul II will endanger those efforts to end a schism.
I deeply regret having to submit this post, but we should face the sad, troubling reality of many aspects of the pontificate of John Paul II.
Keep and spread the Faith.
The former Pontiff did not manifest the heroic virtue necessary for beatification and sainthood. Proof? Please consider his *laissez-faire *governance of the Church. This less-than resolute shepherding of the flock included the refusal to excommunicate nominally Catholic politicians who used their voices and votes to allow unborn children to be killed in the womb via legalized abortion, an act which John Paul II himself told us was “murder” (section 58 of the encyclical Evangelium vitae). This refusal to use the authority given by Christ to his vicar is one of the most disturbing scandals in the whole history of Catholicism.
We should be grateful for John Paul II’s accomplishments, the greatest of which was his publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, but our gratitude does not require us to endorse the misguided idea of canonizing him.
Please see what John Paul II’s catechism says in section 2285 about the relationship between the sin of scandal and the authority of the person giving scandal.
Right now, the Vatican is trying to bring schismatic “traditionalists” in Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s movement back to the one true Church. Talk about canonizing John Paul II will endanger those efforts to end a schism.
I deeply regret having to submit this post, but we should face the sad, troubling reality of many aspects of the pontificate of John Paul II.
Keep and spread the Faith.
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ljubim
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As a Polak
I would love for him to be beatified!
Wasn’t it the mayor of Rome who said this was imminent? I see why the Vatican says no, since what kind of say does the mayor of Rome have when it comes to the Vatican? He’s just a regular Catholic just like us, he couldn’t know anyway.
I would love for him to be beatified!Wasn’t it the mayor of Rome who said this was imminent? I see why the Vatican says no, since what kind of say does the mayor of Rome have when it comes to the Vatican? He’s just a regular Catholic just like us, he couldn’t know anyway.
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