Vatican Document Forbidding Homosexuals to Priesthood Ready for Release

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Unless a homosexual man can be shown to have been a “flaming queer,” he should be able to pass any tests aimed at weeding out homosexuals.

This will reduce the number of homosexual candidates for the priesthood, but will not eliminate them.
 
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Vatican Document Forbidding Homosexuals to Priesthood Ready for Release

lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05071107.html

…long awaited relief…

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I believe that this is the definition of rumor and gossip.

Rumor:
1 : talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2 : a statement or report current without known authority for its truth

As this "news: story quotes as its source a reporter.

This could be true but how would it be enforced? How does the Church define what a homosexual is?

I have not decided how I feel on this issue yet but why would someone who is tempted in this way be automatically ineligable for ordination.

I just don’t see it. As we are all called to be chaste according to our station in life, if someone with these tendencies and is living as he should, why can’t he make a good priest?
 
A valid point Byzcath,

if the churches argument against homosexuality is that it is against the creation of life, the at this current stage, why would that make a difference to a priest who would never engage in homosexual activity.

I too do not have strong opinions on the matter.
 
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A valid point Byzcath,

if the churches argument against homosexuality is that it is against the creation of life, the at this current stage, why would that make a difference to a priest who would never engage in homosexual activity.

I too do not have strong opinions on the matter.
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And if this is to be a new requirement of ordination to the priesthood, then why not for the diaconate?

And if it does happen then how long until we get a document saying that if a man has ever been tempted to steal something, that he should not be ordained.

Temptation to sin is part of being human. If we start to restrict from the priesthood all those who are tempted then Christ would not even be allowed to be a priest as even he was tempted.
 
Since the scandal, the Church will have to cut down and raise teh bar for thsoe who would be preists. It will be unpopular no doubt. But if we must do what we can to make sure it never happens again.

To be a military fighter pilot, it was a standard that the person have 20/20 vision. So too priests should be held to a standard to ensure full effectiveness. It is disappointing that we cannot be more trustworthy, but such times have called for it.
 
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jdnation:
Since the scandal, the Church will have to cut down and raise teh bar for thsoe who would be preists. It will be unpopular no doubt. But if we must do what we can to make sure it never happens again.

To be a military fighter pilot, it was a standard that the person have 20/20 vision. So too priests should be held to a standard to ensure full effectiveness. It is disappointing that we cannot be more trustworthy, but such times have called for it.
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I can see that I guess but then this is nothing but speculation until a document is released from the Vatican.

After all, there are many documents that are reportedly coming from the Vatican soon. Like the document to grant the right to every priest to say the Latin Mass regardless of what his bishop says. The document to suppress the current Mass.

I have heard and keep hearing about these two suposed documents for years now.

I am not saying that this document will not be release but I will wait until it does happen. After all this story is just a reporter reporting that another reporter says this is going to happen soon.
 
I have not decided how I feel on this issue yet but why would someone who is tempted in this way be automatically ineligable for ordination.
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first off, even the desire for homo-sex is inhierently disordered because it is also unnatural. the deisire for natural sex is objectively not inhierently disordered or evil like homosexual attraction is.

most importantly, a priest is a leader. he should be comfortable with his sexuality if he is going to be a good priest. homos or effeminates will not make as good of leaders and will not attract men to the priesthood.

someone who suffers from this disordered sexuality has too many things going against him as it is. being a priest is difficult, there is no point making it more difficult by putting him with a bunch of men. this is like putting a normal seminarian in a sorority. this is why we have to not only avoid sin but avoid the occasion of sin.
 
I do understand that this document could be used as a prevention to another scandal; however i think that there would be far more effective ways of preventing a repeat of the pasts tragedies. Perhaps if the punishment for priests was far far harsher then there would not be so many cases.

I can only really speak of the situation in England. I remember the most recent case, where the offending priest was Fr. Michael Hill, he assaulted a boy and was then moved to a different parish, he reoffended twice. If the priest was properly punished like all citizens of England would be then perehaps he would not have re offended. I am not sure if the priest was a homosexual.
 
putting him with a bunch of men
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A good point oat soda. However who is to say that a homosexual priest would find it harder not to resist sexual temptation to men, than a heterosexual priest would to women that he inevitably comes accross?
 
So using the logic of all who are for this (again I am undecided) let me say this.

I am willing to bet that more priests are guilty of embezzling/stealing/misappropriating church funds as have been guilty in this “sex scandal”.

So using the logic put forward here, we must exclude from the priesthood all men who have stolen or been tempted to steal.

Any man who has found money and not turned it in to the authorities is excluded from the priesthood.

Theft violates the seventh and tenth commandments.

This is just looking for a scape goat. Not every case in the “sex scandal” happened because of homosexuals.
 
Are they going to check a box on their application or will they have to submit to lie detector test like the police do. We certainly would all love to have no gay priests but this order is impossible to inforce.
The only out it gives the bishop is if a priest get caught later on he could be dismissed for lieing on his record.
 
oat soda:
first off, even the desire for homo-sex is inhierently disordered because it is also unnatural. the deisire for natural sex is objectively not inhierently disordered or evil like homosexual attraction is.
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But all sin is inhierently disordered.

All sin goes again the natural law, so again, we must (by the logic used here) exclude all who are tempted to sin.
 
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ByzCath:
But all sin is inhierently disordered.

All sin goes again the natural law, so again, we must (by the logic used here) exclude all who are tempted to sin.
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The doctrine of the Church teaches that homosexuality is a psychological disorder and one who has such a condition can be excluded from sacred orders. This is, in a technical sense an irregularity.
 
******The document issued by the Sacred Congregation for Religious on February 2, 1961 Religiosorum Institutio deals with the issue of excluding men with homosexual tendencies from ordination to the priesthood. It was approved by Pope Bl. John XXIII. The entire document can be found here:
bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/churchdocs/ReligiosorumInstitutio.htm

The new document will only enforce what Bl. John XXIII approved 44 years ago. Excluding homosexuals from priestly ordination is not a new teaching of the Church.
 
Swiss Guard said:
**The document issued by the Sacred Congregation for Religious on February 2, 1961 *Religiosorum Institutio ***deals with the issue of excluding men with homosexual tendencies from ordination to the priesthood. It was approved by Pope Bl. John XXIII. The entire document can be found here:

bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/churchdocs/ReligiosorumInstitutio.htm

The new document will only enforce what Bl. John XXIII approved 44 years ago. Excluding homosexuals from priestly ordination is not a new teaching of the Church.
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Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
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ByzCath:
But all sin is inhierently disordered.

All sin goes again the natural law, so again, we must (by the logic used here) exclude all who are tempted to sin.
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Oat Soda also mentioned homosexuality is unnatural. Fornication is a sin, but it is a natural sin since it does not go against procreation without an artificial barrier in place.
Fornication and sodomy are both mortal sins, but only one is an unnatural sin.
 
Swiss Guard said:
**The document issued by the Sacred Congregation for Religious on February 2, 1961 *Religiosorum Institutio ***deals with the issue of excluding men with homosexual tendencies from ordination to the priesthood. It was approved by Pope Bl. John XXIII. The entire document can be found here:

bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/churchdocs/ReligiosorumInstitutio.htm

The new document will only enforce what Bl. John XXIII approved 44 years ago. Excluding homosexuals from priestly ordination is not a new teaching of the Church.
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That was my impression: a stricter hewing to a policy already in place. I don’t really know how I feel about this: on the one hand, the Holy See has the good of souls to consider; on the other, it seems that excludes the possiblility that a chaste, continent man who suffers from this afflication, but leads a blameless life, could answer what is essentially a call from God, who may call whom He wishes. On the OTHER hand, we believe that if the Church is unable to affirm a candidates call, then he hasn’t BEEN called. A conundrum. I will say I don’t believe it lacks charity, however, inasmuch as the Church is the custodian and guardian of the Sacraments, of which Holy Orders is one.
 
But all sin is inhierently disordered.

All sin goes again the natural law, so again, we must (by the logic used here) exclude all who are tempted to sin.
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this isn’t about being tempted to sin, we are all tempted, but it has to do with how much someone is tempted and how they have acted on it. if someone has a psychological disorder which makes them steal or lie constantly, they wouldn’t be allowed into the priesthood either. the same could be said for any kind of disordered sexuality, including homosexuality, which is generally a chronic condition.

either you have a disordered sexuality or you don’t. it would be up to a competent authority to decide excatly what constitutes a disorded sexuality. a homosexual if he’s being honest would know he’s a homosexual (sexually disordered).
 
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