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John21652
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Oh, so the sub prime meltdown was the market being “anticipatory”?
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Bob_Crowley
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As someone who thinks the church’s position on artificial contraception is plain silly, this strikes me as mere propaganda for the anti-contraception position. I seem to remember a similarly absurd position taken not long ago on some other issue by the Vatican newspaper.By Peter J. Smith ROME, February 23, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A top Italian economist and current President of the Vatican Bank says the culprit standing at the heart of the worldwide economic recession is not banking practices, but rather the low birth rate that has resulted in zero…
Full article…
Take a look at the US debt clock.
usdebtclock.org/
And for my fellow Australians, we’ve got our own now.
debtclock.com.au/
Canada
debtclock.ca/ (bit slower to load)
We’re getting to the point where we won’t be able to service our debts. And a lot of Western nations are in a similar position.
We’re living on credit, which we haven’t learnt to control. Granted the greying population has a lot to do with extra demands on health services, pensions etc., but that’s due to better living conditions and medical advances. It’s gotten to the point now where there are a lot of elderly people who do very little except wet their beds in nursing homes.
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canadianguy1143
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I think what’s silly is that someone who calls themselves Catholic but yet disobeys one of its primary teachings. The fact that birth control has reduced population needed to just maintain its current work force is something that is lost on you. I am also greatly offended that you would characterize a large portion of the population as people who do very little but wet their beds.As someone who thinks the church’s position on artificial contraception is plain silly, this strikes me as mere propaganda for the anti-contraception position. I seem to remember a similarly absurd position taken not long ago on some other issue by the Vatican newspaper.
Take a look at the US debt clock.
usdebtclock.org/
And for my fellow Australians, we’ve got our own now.
debtclock.com.au/
Canada
debtclock.ca/ (bit slower to load)
We’re getting to the point where we won’t be able to service our debts. And a lot of Western nations are in a similar position.
We’re living on credit, which we haven’t learnt to control. Granted the greying population has a lot to do with extra demands on health services, pensions etc., but that’s due to better living conditions and medical advances. It’s gotten to the point now where there are a lot of elderly people who do very little except wet their beds in nursing homes.
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John21652
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Can you please show us in which country, or countries, birth control has “…reduced population needed to just maintain its current work force…”?I think what’s silly is that someone who calls themselves Catholic but yet disobeys one of its primary teachings. The fact that birth control has reduced population needed to just maintain its current work force is something that is lost on you. I am also greatly offended that you would characterize a large portion of the population as people who do very little but wet their beds.
Bob Crowley wrote
Then you wroteIt’s gotten to the point now where there are a lot of elderly people who do very little except wet their beds in nursing homes.
I’d like to knpow why you changed Bob Crowley’s “… a lot of elderly people…” to “…a large portion of the population…”. You made this striking quantum leap in logic and in the process rewrote what Bob had posted and then you feigned offense.I am also greatly offended that you would characterize a large portion of the population as people who do very little but wet their beds
Yours is not an honest response and I am greatly offended by it.
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canadianguy1143
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Certainly. Here is a link for Canada:Can you please show us in which country, or countries, birth control has “…reduced population needed to just maintain its current work force…”?
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/feb/10021809.html
For Germany:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/nov/09112010.html
For South Korea:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/aug/06082802.html
For France:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/mar/06033002.html
Note: In this article France is taking steps to rectify this problem but that doesn’t change that the problem still exists.
Here is another article that has the Pope speaking about it:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/apr/06042801.html
Can you tell me what knpow means. I searched this word and since you seem quite concerned about precision in what I am saying I figure you would not be so careless to misuse any words whatsoever.Bob Crowley wrote
Then you wrote
I’d like to knpow why you changed Bob Crowley’s “… a lot of elderly people…” to “…a large portion of the population…”. You made this striking quantum leap in logic and in the process rewrote what Bob had posted and then you feigned offense.
Yours is not an honest response and I am greatly offended by it.
To address the question which I think you are asking is that Baby-boomers (who are making up today’s elderly), make up the largest demographic group in North America (where I am from). This is what I meant by a large portion of the population. I did not feign offense as I am greatly offended that someone would characterize them as being in a nursing home and wet their beds. As you know feign means to fake, I am not faking offense, I am genuinely offended and if you are offended by what I posted, then I don’t give a damn.
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John21652
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Certainly. Here is a link for Canada:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/feb/10021809.html
For Germany:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/nov/09112010.html
For South Korea:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/aug/06082802.html
For France:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/mar/06033002.html
Note: In this article France is taking steps to rectify this problem but that doesn’t change that the problem still exists.
Here is another article that has the Pope speaking about it:
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/apr/06042801.html
Can you tell me what knpow means. I searched this word and since you seem quite concerned about precision in what I am saying I figure you would not be so careless to misuse any words whatsoever.
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canadianguy1143
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I have explained Bob Crowley’s quote. Bob Crowley said the following in his post:You still haven’t explained why you changed “…a lot of…”, to “…a large proportion of…”. There is a mighty difference between the two phrases. You altered the original phrase, then tried to tell Bob Crowley you were offended. You offended yourself by making the change, becoming offended and then you blamed someone else!!
In plain English, Bob Crowley did not write the phrase “…a large proportion of…”.
You are quick to point out that someone else offends you and equally quick to point out that you don’t give a damn if you offend someone else. That’s a double standard. A hypocritical one at that.
As for the rest of your post, the topic of the thread is ‘Zero population growth is responsible for World Wide Recession’. The world wide recession started some three years ago, It did not start in any of the countries you linked to regarding zero population. The articles you linked to are all forecasts to things that will happen. Things that are yet to happen cannot be the cause of what has already happened. Therefore, you are off topic.
It was that quote that I took exception to and for which I added that they constituted a large segment of the population. I didn’t alter the original phrase because I never directly quoted the phrase.It’s gotten to the point now where there are a lot of elderly people who do very little except wet their beds in nursing homes.
As for staying on topic for this thread, it was Bob Crowley who had interject his opinion that the Catholic Church’s teaching on birth control is silly, that the “greying” population has a lot to do with extra demands on health services, pensions etc. and culminates with It’s gotten to the point now where there are a lot of elderly people who do very little except wet their beds in nursing homes.
Since my post was directed to specifically what he said, then if I am off topic, then so is he. For myself, when someone who calls themselves Catholic, yet trashes one of the core beliefs of Catholicism, I have to call them out on it.
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MugenOne
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The Empty Cradle by Phillip Longman talks about this very issue. It’s worth a read.
Rapid aging followed by depopulation on a scale not seen since the collapse of the Roman Empire threatens the modern world, writes Phillip Longman, an American journalist. In Longman’s view, modernity itself is to blame for the population debacle. “Those who reject modernity,” he argues, “seem to have an evolutionary advantage, whether they are clean-living Mormons, or Muslims who remain committed to large families.”
Having looked into the abyss, Longman proposes to save modernity from itself through tax incentives favoring larger families, an unconvincing approach. But he at least has taken the trouble to notice that modernity is consuming itself.
Longman cannot make up his mind as to whether economic disincentives or existential despair account for collapsing birthrates. He offers an economic explanation as follows: In traditional society children were an asset, a source of cheap farm labor in the present and the equivalent of a pension later on. In the modern world, children are a cost. Because parents and non-parents both will receive pensions paid by the next generation, no individual has an incentive to make sacrifices to bring the next generation into the world. In the absence of economic incentives to reproduce, “Faith is increasingly necessary as a motive to have children.”
Longman is right about the correlation between faith and fertility, but wrong about the cause. Mortal existence is intolerable without the promise of immortality. Animals breed and foster their young out of instinct; humankind does so in the hope that something of our mortal existence will survive us in the continuation of our culture and the remembrance of our children. Longman believes that the religious continue to reproduce because the Bible or Koran so instructs them. Religion in the broad sense means hope of immortality. By reducing culture to a hedonist’s shopping basket of amusements, modernity destroys the individual’s hope for immortality, and with it his incentive to create a new generation of humans.
The implications of this trend appall Longman, who warns, “Such a trend, if sustained, would drive human culture off its current market-driven, individualistic, modernist course, and gradually create an anti-market culture dominated by fundamentalist values.” This conclusion appears driven by prejudice. One may deplore or admire US evangelicals, but it is hard to argue that they will create an “anti-market culture”. No one admires free enterprise more than American Christians, and one might conjecture that the growing proliferation of their denominations in Asia, Africa and Latin America will lend impetus to capitalist development.
The United States will adjust painfully to its aging population, argues Longman, and the concomitant aging of the countries whence the US now recruits immigrants will make it harder to compensate for declining native fertility. What worries him most, however, is that rising fertility among US evangelicals will shift the balance of power towards the religious.
It costs today’s US middle-class family more than US$1 million to raise a university-educated child, including more than $800,000 in lost wages, according to a study cited by Longman. He proposes tax incentives to families with children, but these seem tiny next to the costs. The reader must fall back on his argument that faith, not pecuniary calculation, will motivate today’s prospective parents. The reproductive power of an increasingly Christian United States will enhance the strategic position of the US over the next two generations, leaving infertile Western Europe to sink slowly into insignificance.
foreignaffairs.com/articles/59894/phillip-longman/the-global-baby-bust
Rapid aging followed by depopulation on a scale not seen since the collapse of the Roman Empire threatens the modern world, writes Phillip Longman, an American journalist. In Longman’s view, modernity itself is to blame for the population debacle. “Those who reject modernity,” he argues, “seem to have an evolutionary advantage, whether they are clean-living Mormons, or Muslims who remain committed to large families.”
Having looked into the abyss, Longman proposes to save modernity from itself through tax incentives favoring larger families, an unconvincing approach. But he at least has taken the trouble to notice that modernity is consuming itself.
Longman cannot make up his mind as to whether economic disincentives or existential despair account for collapsing birthrates. He offers an economic explanation as follows: In traditional society children were an asset, a source of cheap farm labor in the present and the equivalent of a pension later on. In the modern world, children are a cost. Because parents and non-parents both will receive pensions paid by the next generation, no individual has an incentive to make sacrifices to bring the next generation into the world. In the absence of economic incentives to reproduce, “Faith is increasingly necessary as a motive to have children.”
Longman is right about the correlation between faith and fertility, but wrong about the cause. Mortal existence is intolerable without the promise of immortality. Animals breed and foster their young out of instinct; humankind does so in the hope that something of our mortal existence will survive us in the continuation of our culture and the remembrance of our children. Longman believes that the religious continue to reproduce because the Bible or Koran so instructs them. Religion in the broad sense means hope of immortality. By reducing culture to a hedonist’s shopping basket of amusements, modernity destroys the individual’s hope for immortality, and with it his incentive to create a new generation of humans.
The implications of this trend appall Longman, who warns, “Such a trend, if sustained, would drive human culture off its current market-driven, individualistic, modernist course, and gradually create an anti-market culture dominated by fundamentalist values.” This conclusion appears driven by prejudice. One may deplore or admire US evangelicals, but it is hard to argue that they will create an “anti-market culture”. No one admires free enterprise more than American Christians, and one might conjecture that the growing proliferation of their denominations in Asia, Africa and Latin America will lend impetus to capitalist development.
The United States will adjust painfully to its aging population, argues Longman, and the concomitant aging of the countries whence the US now recruits immigrants will make it harder to compensate for declining native fertility. What worries him most, however, is that rising fertility among US evangelicals will shift the balance of power towards the religious.
It costs today’s US middle-class family more than US$1 million to raise a university-educated child, including more than $800,000 in lost wages, according to a study cited by Longman. He proposes tax incentives to families with children, but these seem tiny next to the costs. The reader must fall back on his argument that faith, not pecuniary calculation, will motivate today’s prospective parents. The reproductive power of an increasingly Christian United States will enhance the strategic position of the US over the next two generations, leaving infertile Western Europe to sink slowly into insignificance.
foreignaffairs.com/articles/59894/phillip-longman/the-global-baby-bust
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St_Francis
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First you say that because you disagree with a premise that the researcher holds that the study is completely flawed.As someone who thinks the church’s position on artificial contraception is plain silly, this strikes me as mere propaganda for the anti-contraception position. I seem to remember a similarly absurd position taken not long ago on some other issue by the Vatican newspaper.
How about if you show us some evidence from the study itself that it is “mere propaganda.”
And why are we going into debt? And why will we not be able to service it?We’re getting to the point where we won’t be able to service our debts. And a lot of Western nations are in a similar position.
You just totally destroyed your whole argument yourself here.We’re living on credit, which we haven’t learnt to control. Granted the greying population has a lot to do with extra demands on health services, pensions etc., but that’s due to better living conditions and medical advances. It’s gotten to the point now where there are a lot of elderly people who do very little except wet their beds in nursing homes.
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Bob_Crowley
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Depends on where you get your figures from. Quoting from Wikipedia, and which itself uses two sources, the UN from 2005 to 2010, and the CIA factbook 2009, the US population growth is about .98% which is more than 2 million a year, or 40,000 a week.First you say that because you disagree with a premise that the researcher holds that the study is completely flawed.
How about if you show us some evidence from the study itself that it is “mere propaganda.”
And why are we going into debt? And why will we not be able to service it?
You just totally destroyed your whole argument yourself here.
The UK is .42 and .28% respectively depending on the source, Canada is .82% to .9%, while China which leads the world in economic development has a smaller population growth rate than the USA or Canada, but even at .6% still has to find the where with all to feed, house, clothe, educate and provide the infrastructure for an extra 7.2 million or more people a year. Assuming four people per dwelling place, they need to build 34615 houses or units a week, or 4945 per day. And that’s only the extra accommodation they need to provide, each day. This says nothing about their added energy requirements, infrastructure, water supplies, food, transport, sewerage, hospitals, clothing and all the rest we take for granted in the West.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate
Meanwhile Burundi, one of the poorest nations on earth, has a population growth of about 3% per year. Where’s the corresponding economic growth?
On senility in nursing homes - I lifted this from
ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/24/2/373
"The prevalence of dementia was investigated in Okinawa Prefecture, Japan. In all, 3524 subjects, 65 years old, were sampled randomly (urban and rural populations 61.1% and 38.9% respectively). Phase 1 of the survey was carried out by specially trained students of the Faculty of Medicine who used the Mini-Mental State (MMS) scale (interview rate 94.3%) to screen 522 (15.8%) of the 3312 subjects for the phase 2 survey, Phase 2, conducted by psychialrists using the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III-R) criteria, detected 172 cases of dementia.
Results. The estimated prevalence of dementia was 6.7% For women, the rate increased sharply in the 90–99 year old group, and was 41.4% for men in the 90–99 year old group prevalence was 21.2%. The ratio of Alzheimer-type dementia to multi-infarct dementia was 1.5:1 (men 1.2:1, women 1.7:1). The breakdown of the seventy of dementia in the total cases was: mild 16.9%, moderate 30.8%, and severe 52.3%. The number of severe cases increased with age."
My comment about bed-wetting was actually prompted when I was doing some deliveries, including a certain nursing home. One time I just happened to chat to one of the staff, and asked, light heartedly, what do you do all night when they’re asleep?
They looked at each other, and said, we change about a hundred beds. Granted they were being jocular, but there was truth behind the joke.
In other words, there’s a lot of elderly people out there with dementia and other aging difficulties. So what’s the use of this never ending quest to live a year or two longer?
Personally I think the earth has been designed to cater for a limit of about 40 billion people but only if we ration and share. So what do we do if we ever reach the 40 billion mark? Tell that generation they can’t have sex?
As far as I’m concerned the Church’s ban on the contraceptive pill for married couples is plain silly. In fact, I think it was God’s gift, given at the very time population pressures were becoming a real problem in some places, largely through Catholic researchers, suggested for adoption under certain circumstances by an advisory Catholic panel of theologians, doctors, scientists and married couples appointed by the Vatican, but nullified by the same pope who set up the commission in the first place. He then witnessed mass defections or expulsions of his own religious who had more common sense, and was so disillusioned that he never produced another encyclical.
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Petergee
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No problem. Even the UN forecasts that the world population will never grow beyond 9 or 10 billion.Personally I think the earth has been designed to cater for a limit of about 40 billion people but only if we ration and share. So what do we do if we ever reach the 40 billion mark? Tell that generation they can’t have sex?
During the Depression of the 1930s population growth rates were even lower than today. In fact several European countries were shrinking in population. And this at a time when contraception was woefully ineffective, often almost impossible to obtain, and illegal in many places. Abortion even more so. Yes that’s right, people (of all religions and none) abstained from sex to reduce the rate of conception. there is nothing super-human about doing this.
It seems that old myth just won’t die. Blessed John XXIII strongly stressed, in his statement setting up the commission on birth control, that nobody should make the error of thinking, because this commission was being set up, that there was any possibility that the Church’s prohibition of contraception would or could ever be changed. The commissions purpose was to explore new and more effective ways of presenting this unchanging teaching to the world. Pope Paul VI repeated the same point when he expanded the commission.As far as I’m concerned the Church’s ban on the contraceptive pill for married couples is plain silly. In fact, I think it was God’s gift, given at the very time population pressures were becoming a real problem in some places, largely through Catholic researchers, suggested for adoption under certain circumstances by an advisory Catholic panel of theologians, doctors, scientists and married couples appointed by the Vatican, but nullified by the same pope who set up the commission in the first place.
“Expulsions”? I am not aware of any person in the 20th century being expelled from the Church because of his failure to agree that contraception is immoral.He then witnessed mass defections or expulsions of his own religious who had more common sense,
Absolute nonsense. So exhausted would be more like it. Pope Paul had produced in the previous 4 years a bigger output of universal doctrinal documents than all his 20th century predecessors put together had produced in their entire reigns. The world had quite enough to digest with the documents of Vatican II alone - which some obviously still haven’t read. In the remaining years of his reign he continued to produce many Apostolic Exhortations, Apostolic Letters and other documents, notably including the many documents concerning the reform of the liturgy.and was so disillusioned that he never produced another encyclical.
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Monte_RCMS
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Found this while surfing:
dalje.com/tv/en/index.php?id=20972w96aa5b7
Islamisation Or Europe: Reality or Fantasy?
• In order for a culture to maintain itself for more than 25 years, it requires a
fertility rate of 2.11 children per family. With anything less, the culture will
decline.
• Historically, no culture has ever reversed a 1.9 fertility rate
• A rate of 1.3 is impossible to reverse—because it would take 80 to 100
years to correct itself. There is no economic model that can sustain a
culture during that time.
• If only a million babies are born in 2006, it will be hard to have 2 million
workers in 2026.
• As the population shrinks, so does the culture.
• In 2007, the fertility rate in France was 1.8, England 1.6, Greece 1.3,
Germany 1.3, Italy 1.2, Spain 1.1
• Across the European Union of 31 countries, the fertility rate was 1.38
• History tells us these countries will be unsustainable. In a matter of years,
Europe will cease to exist as we know it.
• Yet the numbers in these cultures are going up. Why? Immigration.
However, of all population growth in Europe since 1990, 90% has been
Islamic immigration.
• In France, the fertility rate is 1.8, but Muslims there is 8.1 per family.
• In southern France, previously one of the most churched areas in the
country, there are more Mosques than churches.
• In France, 30% of children age 20 and younger are Islamic.
• By 2027, 1 in 5 Frenchmen will be Muslim.
• In just 39 years, France will be an Islamic Republic
• In the last 30 years, the Muslim population in Great Britain rose from
82,000 to 2.5 million. That’s a 30x increase. There are more than a 1,000
Mosques, many are former churches.
• In the Netherlands, 50% of all newborns are Muslim. In only 15 years, half
of the population will be Muslim.
• In Russian, there are 23 million Muslims . . . 1 in 5 Russians are Muslims.
In just a few short years, 40% of the Russian army will be Islamic.
• In Belgium, 25% of the population are Muslim while 50% of all newborns
are Muslim.
• The government of Belgium states 1/3 of all European children will be
born to Muslim families by 2025. That’s just 17 years away.
• Germany Federal Statistics Office statement: “The fall in the [German]
population can no longer be stopped. Its downward spiral is no longer
reversible . . . it will be a Muslim state by the year 2050.”
• Muammar al-Gaddafi says, “There are signs that Allah will grant victory to
Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. We don’t
need terrorists. We don’t need homicide bombers. The 50+ million
Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few
decades.”
• There are currently 52 million Muslims in Europe. The German
government said that number is expected to double in the next 20 years to
104 million.
• Canada’s fertility rate is 1.6. Between 2001 - 2006, Canada’s population
increased 1.6 million, but 1.2 million came through immigration.
• United States fertility rate is 1.6, but with the Latino immigration, it
averages out to 2.11, the bare minimum to sustain a culture.
• In 1970 there were 100,000 Muslims. In 2008, there are 9 million Muslims.
• 23 Islamic organizations met in Chicago for the Islamic Strategy
Conference. Transcripts from those meetings detailed their plans to
evangelize America through journalism, politics, education. The report
said “We must prepare ourselves for the reality that in 30 years there will
be 50 million Muslims living in America.”
• Catholic church reports that Islam has surpassed them in membership. In
5 to 7 years, Islam will be the dominant religion in the world.
dalje.com/tv/en/index.php?id=20972w96aa5b7
Islamisation Or Europe: Reality or Fantasy?
• In order for a culture to maintain itself for more than 25 years, it requires a
fertility rate of 2.11 children per family. With anything less, the culture will
decline.
• Historically, no culture has ever reversed a 1.9 fertility rate
• A rate of 1.3 is impossible to reverse—because it would take 80 to 100
years to correct itself. There is no economic model that can sustain a
culture during that time.
• If only a million babies are born in 2006, it will be hard to have 2 million
workers in 2026.
• As the population shrinks, so does the culture.
• In 2007, the fertility rate in France was 1.8, England 1.6, Greece 1.3,
Germany 1.3, Italy 1.2, Spain 1.1
• Across the European Union of 31 countries, the fertility rate was 1.38
• History tells us these countries will be unsustainable. In a matter of years,
Europe will cease to exist as we know it.
• Yet the numbers in these cultures are going up. Why? Immigration.
However, of all population growth in Europe since 1990, 90% has been
Islamic immigration.
• In France, the fertility rate is 1.8, but Muslims there is 8.1 per family.
• In southern France, previously one of the most churched areas in the
country, there are more Mosques than churches.
• In France, 30% of children age 20 and younger are Islamic.
• By 2027, 1 in 5 Frenchmen will be Muslim.
• In just 39 years, France will be an Islamic Republic
• In the last 30 years, the Muslim population in Great Britain rose from
82,000 to 2.5 million. That’s a 30x increase. There are more than a 1,000
Mosques, many are former churches.
• In the Netherlands, 50% of all newborns are Muslim. In only 15 years, half
of the population will be Muslim.
• In Russian, there are 23 million Muslims . . . 1 in 5 Russians are Muslims.
In just a few short years, 40% of the Russian army will be Islamic.
• In Belgium, 25% of the population are Muslim while 50% of all newborns
are Muslim.
• The government of Belgium states 1/3 of all European children will be
born to Muslim families by 2025. That’s just 17 years away.
• Germany Federal Statistics Office statement: “The fall in the [German]
population can no longer be stopped. Its downward spiral is no longer
reversible . . . it will be a Muslim state by the year 2050.”
• Muammar al-Gaddafi says, “There are signs that Allah will grant victory to
Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. We don’t
need terrorists. We don’t need homicide bombers. The 50+ million
Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few
decades.”
• There are currently 52 million Muslims in Europe. The German
government said that number is expected to double in the next 20 years to
104 million.
• Canada’s fertility rate is 1.6. Between 2001 - 2006, Canada’s population
increased 1.6 million, but 1.2 million came through immigration.
• United States fertility rate is 1.6, but with the Latino immigration, it
averages out to 2.11, the bare minimum to sustain a culture.
• In 1970 there were 100,000 Muslims. In 2008, there are 9 million Muslims.
• 23 Islamic organizations met in Chicago for the Islamic Strategy
Conference. Transcripts from those meetings detailed their plans to
evangelize America through journalism, politics, education. The report
said “We must prepare ourselves for the reality that in 30 years there will
be 50 million Muslims living in America.”
• Catholic church reports that Islam has surpassed them in membership. In
5 to 7 years, Islam will be the dominant religion in the world.
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agbasinger
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This is a really interesting find. I really like this line…
"So when you eliminate human beings, you eliminate their creativity, you eliminate their discoveries, and you are placing yourself in great jeopardy, because you cannot just stay still. You will go back economically.”
Does anyone have a longer source from the interview?
"So when you eliminate human beings, you eliminate their creativity, you eliminate their discoveries, and you are placing yourself in great jeopardy, because you cannot just stay still. You will go back economically.”
Does anyone have a longer source from the interview?
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