Vatican fights attempt to discredit Knights of Malta probe

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The Vatican is striking back at the Knights of Malta, rejecting attempts to discredit a papal commission investigating the ouster of a top official. In a sharply worded statement, the Holy See “reaffirms its confidence” in the panel appointed by Pope Francis to report on the “present crisis.”

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Maybe if the Vatican commission wasn’t stacked with the fired Knights friends it would have more credibility
To any non involved party something seems fishy.
 
Just out of curiosity, for those that have been Catholic for many years, are the events of today unusual or have there always been infighting and public fights among the hierarchy?

This definitely doesn’t look good…
 
EIF5A said:
Just out of curiosity, for those that have been Catholic for many years, are the events of today unusual or have there always been infighting and public fights among the hierarchy?

This definitely doesn’t look good…
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Of course there has been. The Church is both divine and human. Her innate holiness as the body of Christ, the integrity of Her teaching, the grace of Her sacraments…those are sustained by Christ Himself and remain constant. That being said, Her human members here on earth are sinners and exercise their freewill. Strife among the hierarchy can already be seen in the New Testament among the Apostles and other first generation bishops. St. Paul relates a couple such arguments in his epistles…as does the Acts. Heck, the Gospels show us infighting among the disciples. Despite such human failings, the Church herself never falls.
 
gus said:
Maybe if the Vatican commission wasn’t stacked with the fired Knights friends it would have more credibility
To any non involved party something seems fishy.
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It is anything but stacked with “fired knights.”

It is also not “fishy.”
 
EIF5A said:
Just out of curiosity, for those that have been Catholic for many years, are the events of today unusual or have there always been infighting and public fights among the hierarchy?

This definitely doesn’t look good…
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Those who have been Catholic for many years?

Well, I remember when His Most Eminent Highness, the Prince of that era, in a moment of conflict with the Holy See, had to be threatened with excommunication for his lack of utter submission and absolute deference to Pope Pius XII…which is what is always owed to the Successor of Peter…the very Vicar of Christ upon earth.

Upon his demise, there was no Grand Master for more than a decade after that Prince was fatally stricken and fell instantly dead.
 
EIF5A said:
Just out of curiosity, for those that have been Catholic for many years, are the events of today unusual or have there always been infighting and public fights among the hierarchy?

This definitely doesn’t look good…
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In the 2,000 years of Church history, there are many far, far worse things than this.
 
EIF5A said:
Just out of curiosity, for those that have been Catholic for many years, are the events of today unusual or have there always been infighting and public fights among the hierarchy?

This definitely doesn’t look good…
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That’s why there was the Great Schism and the Reformation, among other things.
 
JPUSC said:
The Inquisition and the Crusades come to mind. All the innocent people killed.
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Not to derail the thread, but keep in mind that the Crusades were originally a defensive response to centuries of incursions by Muslim forces into Christendom. The First Crusade was called in response to the Byzantine Emperor’s plea for aid against such Muslim invaders. That being said, abuses certainly did happen on both sides. Regarding the Inquisition, while completely contrary to our modern sensibilities, Church tribunals were exceedingly more merciful than their secular counterparts of the day. The infamous Spanish Inquisition executed perhaps a few thousand people over a period of centuries - a very small fraction of those tried. But neither of these examples really qualify as “infighting” among the hierarchy.
 
“Maybe if the Vatican commission wasn’t stacked with the fired Knights friends it would have more credibility”
(from Gus)
Don_Ruggero said:
It is anything but stacked with “fired knights.”
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I think Gus was saying that the commission was stacked with “friends of the fired knight” not necessarily individuals who themselves were knights, or fired.

(I realize English is probably one of your several languages, unlike most Americans who speak only English, and are proud of that fact. I remember the post where you pointed out I spelled “meter” for the measurement, instead of “metre” which is used in Europe, and no doubt the correct spelling since America intransigently refused to go metric.) 🙂
Your insights on the forum are welcome.
 
JPUSC said:
The Inquisition and the Crusades come to mind. All the innocent people killed.
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There has been some outstanding work done on these events recently, including by non-Catholic historians–not novelists (like…ahem…Voltaire). Seems as if there is broad consensus among actual historians that the Crusades were generally defensive and that in reality they were armed pilgrimages (prior to the beginning of armed pilgrimages there were just plain old pilgrimages, which were the norm until unarmed pilgrims began to be attacked and killed).

The Inquistions are even better: so many myths and lies. First, the total number killed over 800 years amounts to about 15 people per year. Is that 15 too many? Yes, of course, but a lot of those killings were carried out against Church orders by secular regional lords. I don’t have time for a full fledged discussion on this at the moment but a final comment: the iron maiden of Three Musketers and anti-Catholc fame wasn’t invented until 100 years after the inquisitions ended…and it was a carnival piece.
 
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