Vatican fine-tunes details of the Mass and upsets parishioners

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Jim Rosengarten gasped when he learned the Vatican wants him to stop calling himself a eucharistic minister. They are “extraordinary ministers of holy communion.”

“Oh, my God,” Rosengarten exclaimed. “What a shame.”

It was not the title’s mouthful of syllables that disturbed him, he said, but the Vatican’s reasons: It wants the priest’s role at Mass unambiguously distinct. Only the priest consecrates the bread and wine, the essential act of Eucharist.

Dismayed by the many small, local variations that have crept into the celebration of liturgy around the world (and also by a blurring of the priest’s role in some churches), Rome is calling for near-uniformity in the way Masses are celebrated.

The Rev. Daniel Mackle, head of the Philadelphia archdiocesan Office for Worship, praised the guidelines as necessary. In some parishes, Mackle said, the Mass “has become like a painting coated in candle soot. It has to be cleaned so we can see its full beauty.”

For example, he said, priests should not be strolling about the church during their homilies, “microphone in hand like they’re Johnny Carson.”

And it is important, he said, that only the priest or deacon may break the communion bread after the consecration, and only he may pour the consecrated wine into chalices.

As one way to promote lay participation, however, Rome is encouraging parishes to use a different reader for each Scripture passage.

At Holy Savior parish in Westmont, Camden County, communion minister Trudy Cranston said the changes have meant “we’re not allowed to pour the precious blood [consecrated wine] into the cups anymore” and “now we don’t separate the hosts” into distribution plates or bowls.

But Cranston, 56, a communion minister for 15 years, said the changes don’t faze her.

But certain kinds of lay activism don’t sit well with Rome - especially if the laity are seen as performing clergy roles.

At St. Vincent’s, for example, Rosengarten and other eucharistic ministers used to break the communion bread at the altar alongside the priest, and pour the consecrated wine into chalices for distribution.

“The image we wanted was of the table being prepared by members of the assembly and the presider, who are one,” Rosengarten explained.

But because the new instruction restricts the breaking and pouring to the priest, Mackle has advised St. Vincent’s that it must conform. He also told St. Vincent’s it had to cease its longtime practice whereby priests and communion ministers waited until everyone else had received communion. Now, they must take it first.

While some members of St. Vincent’s have welcomed the return to strict practice, or orthodoxy, others are very upset, according to Rosengarten, a history teacher at Central High School. A few even wept when the parish made the changes.

About 25 members of the parish have begun protesting the Vatican’s changes by wrapping purple stoles, or scarves, at the base of the sanctuary cross after communion.

For three years, feminists at St. Vincent’s had been wearing the stoles to Mass as symbols of mourning for “the loss of the gift of women” in the Catholic Church, parishioner Pat Imms explained recently.

Support for women’s ordination runs high at St. Vincent’s, and many parishioners viewed female participation in the priestly gestures as powerful symbols of women’s inclusion in Catholicism’s supreme rite.

Imms sees the general instruction as diminishing the laity’s - and women’s - roles in the Mass.

“We worked really hard on our liturgy,” said Imms, who has been laying her stole at the cross in recent weeks.

The Rev. John Kettelberger, pastor of St. Vincent’s, declined to comment, but Msgr. Nelson Perez, pastor of St. William parish in Lawncrest, defended the call for unified liturgy. “I’ve always had the feeling that it’s not my liturgy to change,” he said. “It belongs to the whole [worldwide] community of the church.”
 
The priest shouldn’t allow his Mass to get hijacked - if he’s supporting the stole-laying theatrics he should be disciplined. As for the article, I’m glad Rome’s finally throwing down the gauntlet.
 
Part of the problem is that these irregularities were allowed to go on for so long. People had time to become used to and attached to certain ways of celebrating the liturgy, now all that has to change, and people are upset.
 
It is about time that the Vatican starts cracking down on abuses. I find it amazing how some people think distributing the Eucharist is their right. An adjustment in attitude and understanding is needed in the modern Church.
Peace,
Ryan
 
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ILdoc82:
At St. Vincent’s, for example, Rosengarten and other eucharistic ministers used to break the communion bread at the altar alongside the priest, and pour the consecrated wine into chalices for distribution.

But because the new instruction restricts the breaking and pouring to the priest, Mackle has advised St. Vincent’s that it must conform.
My reading of Redemptionis Sacramentum #106 says even priests and deacons should completely avoid pouring…
(But I’m open to authoritative correction)

:hmmm:
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St Vincents seems to be in need of 2 things

An ORTHODOX Priest

A Re-Consecration of the Sanctuary…Satans Smoke krept into there for sure.
 
Well :whistle: why not have the “eucharistic ministers” right up there in the thick of things? In fact, lets let the altar servers take turns playing priest? 😃

Oh, heck with, invite the whole congregation and non-catholic guests, to have a turn. :bigyikes:

It seems to me, that some people want to TRY and make themselves equil to, or better than God! :mad: :tsktsk:

:blessyou:
 
Its funny how people can be sometimes.

They were never to be called “eucharistic ministers”. If you read the original documents where this thing was first allowed they were always called Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers because the Ordinary Eucharistic Ministers are the bishop, priest, and deacon.

Isn’t funny how terms that we use, even when they are wrong, if used long enough become the right term?
 
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ByzCath:
Its funny how people can be sometimes.

They were never to be called “eucharistic ministers”. If you read the original documents where this thing was first allowed they were always called Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers because the Ordinary Eucharistic Ministers are the bishop, priest, and deacon.

Isn’t funny how terms that we use, even when they are wrong, if used long enough become the right term?
The fact that some were moved to tears at the change simply reinforces the need for it…obviously those people were considering themselves closer to priesthood (including the women) than the role they were supposed to be taking on as helpers.

I, too, am glad to see the crackdown, though there have not been abuses in my parish.

One of the greatest beauties of being Catholic is that, theoretically, I can walk into any Catholic church in any city, state, country and find a good 90% familiarity with the order of the Mass. To me, that provides such comfort when I am on the road. When I enter a church with abuses it just saddens and frightens me.
 
Andreas Hofer:
The priest shouldn’t allow his Mass to get hijacked - if he’s supporting the stole-laying theatrics he should be disciplined. As for the article, I’m glad Rome’s finally throwing down the gauntlet.
First I should say that I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Having said that, I don’t think that ‘throwing down’ the gauntlet is enough. Applying the gauntlet thoroughly and and vigorously about the head and shoulders is what is called for, IMHO.

(I’m only half kidding.)
😃
 
*“Oh, my God,” Rosengarten exclaimed. “What a shame.”
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And make sure this gentleman goes to confession for using the Lord’s name in vain.

*At St. Vincent’s, for example, Rosengarten and other eucharistic ministers used to break the communion bread at the altar alongside the priest, and pour the consecrated wine into chalices for distribution.

*Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a liturgical abuse–something never sanctioned by the Vatican or by the Archbishop of Philadelphia. Thus, it is an innovation that they themselves have imposed upon the Mass. I hope Cardinal Rigali cracks down on parishes like this in a big way.

“The image we wanted was of the table being prepared by members of the assembly and the presider, who are one,” Rosengarten explained.

Presider? Good gravy! Can’t you people even say the word “priest”?!

But because the new instruction restricts the breaking and pouring to the priest, Mackle has advised St. Vincent’s that it must conform.

Oh, cry me a river. It’s like they’re demanding that these folks donate a kidney or something.

A few even wept when the parish made the changes.

Changes? What changes? The “changes” were made by these liturgical terrorists. The Vatican is insisting that they now abide by the rules.

About 25 members of the parish have begun protesting the Vatican’s changes by wrapping purple stoles, or scarves, at the base of the sanctuary cross after communion.

Good for them. The priest should read them the riot act. There are plenty of perfectly good Protestant churches for these bozos to seek out and attempt to coopt.

For three years, feminists at St. Vincent’s had been wearing the stoles to Mass

Funny, I thought one was supposed to cease being a “feminist” once they entered church. Clearly, these radicals put being a “feminist” ahead of being a Catholic. They should be removed from any position of authority they hold in the parish immediately.

Support for women’s ordination runs high at St. Vincent’s,

So the pastor there has raised up a nice crop of dissenters. Good for him. I hope the Cardinal read this article and takes the appropriate action.

“We worked really hard on our liturgy,” said Imms, who has been laying her stole at the cross in recent weeks.

It’s not “your liturgy,” lady.
 
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ILdoc82:
For three years, feminists at St. Vincent’s had been wearing the stoles to Mass as symbols of mourning for “the loss of the gift of women” in the Catholic Church, parishioner Pat Imms explained recently.
This is the part I really like–" ‘the loss of the gift of women’ in the Catholic Church…" ‘Gift of Women’ as defined by the feminist, who would rather there be no distinction between a man and a woman. I believe I contribute to my parish community and I don’t do it by trying to take the priest’s role.

JELane
 
When I lived on the Left Coast, EME referred themselves as 'lay-priests". Where did they get that from?
 
I will be happy to adhere to whatever rubrics the magisterium decides on; and thankful that Orthodoxy is prevailing.
 
A few even wept when the parish made the changes.
Not that’s it is likely to happen but I’ll weep too if our bishop ever decides to institute the new GIRM or Redeptionis Sacramentum.

Tears of joy!!!
 
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ByzCath:
They were never to be called “eucharistic ministers”. If you read the original documents where this thing was first allowed they were always called Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers because the Ordinary Eucharistic Ministers are the bishop, priest, and deacon.
Even the original documents from the Vatican didn’t use that term. It only stated that, in the absence of a sufficent number of priests or deacons, the laity can assist in the distrubtion of Holy Communion. It did not give a name to this ministry.

That was a made up term by over reaching Liturgists.

Also Deacons, Priests and Bishops are Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, not of the Eucharist.

Eucharistic Ministers are priests and Bishops ONLY. Only those men can confect the Sacrament. The deacon cannot be rightly called a Eucharistic Minister in any capacity, only an Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion.
 
Please remember that it is your responsibility to report liturgical abuse. This parish is a perfect example of unchecked abuse that grew and grew. There are a lot of good people here—please report any abuses you see to your bishop.

adoremus.org/0404Liturgy.html
 
“Complaints regarding abuses in Liturgical Matters”
The concluding paragraphs of Redemptionis sacramentum stress that all Catholics -- lay or clergy – are responsible for correcting abuses in the Liturgy.

– Everyone has a “most serious duty” to see that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be "protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. (183)

– “Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff. It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity” . (184)
 
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