VATICAN - "God is not afraid of new things," like Paul VI who surveyed "the signs of the times", says pope at Synod [AN]

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“We have sown and we continued to sow, patiently and perseveringly, in the certainty that it is the Lord who gives growth to what we have sown,” the pope said on the day the great helmsman of the Council, Pope Paul VI, was beatified. Warmly welcomed by the crowd, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, who was created cardinal by Pope Paul VI in 1977, was present at the ceremony.

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“We have sown and we continued to sow, patiently and perseveringly, in the certainty that it is the Lord who gives growth to what we have sown,” the pope said on the day the great helmsman of the Council, Pope Paul VI, was beatified. Warmly welcomed by the crowd, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, who was created cardinal by Pope Paul VI in 1977, was present at the ceremony.

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Hmmm…nothing bad in itself, but all this certainly leaves the door open for heretical interpretation…
 
God isn’t afraid of anyone or anything. God isn’t even afraid of the Devil. But the Devil fears the Lord. So just that God isn’t afraid of something doesn’t necessarily mean that it is something good.
 
God isn’t afraid of anyone or anything. God isn’t even afraid of the Devil. But the Devil fears the Lord. So just that God isn’t afraid of something doesn’t necessarily mean that it is something good.
Pope Francis was conveying reassurance to those who *do *suffer the fear of new things which can cause us to ignore the call of the Holy Spirit and bury our ‘talents’. We need to accept as Catholics, the work of the Holy Spirit through the office of the Pope. It is so foolish to take a stance in opposition to his goals and plans.
 
When I first joined this forum I received a “black mark” on my account for calling the previous Pope, pompous. I meant it in it’s old way of pomp and ceremony. Now I find these forums filled with comments about the current Pope which border on hatred and disobedience. You didn’t question the actions or thoughts of the previous Pope and Pope Francis deserves your respect also. I don’t see how all these allusions to heresy are not being moderated. Don’t you people think that Pope Francis is learned enough to know what can be changed without nasty comments from the “faithful”? It is shocking to me how disrespectful a lot of you are to the current Pontiff.
 
When I first joined this forum I received a “black mark” on my account for calling the previous Pope, pompous. I meant it in it’s old way of pomp and ceremony. Now I find these forums filled with comments about the current Pope which border on hatred and disobedience. You didn’t question the actions or thoughts of the previous Pope and Pope Francis deserves your respect also. I don’t see how all these allusions to heresy are not being moderated. Don’t you people think that Pope Francis is learned enough to know what can be changed without nasty comments from the “faithful”? It is shocking to me how disrespectful a lot of you are to the current Pontiff./QUO

MY GOODNESS CALM DOWN TOTALITARIAN!!!

Really, if somebody says that a statement might be interpreted wrongly, or that peraps not being afraid of something doesnt mean to embrace it, could you explain how this border’s “heresy”???
 
The Catholic Internet Punditsphere is always buzzing with accusations of heresy and apostasy (which really just means someone said something that called the accusing commenter out of their comfort zone of masturbating over their own righteousness, be they traditionalist or modernist).

Really, I don’t see a problem with this statement from Francis. Orthodoxy and independent thought are not mutually exclusive. We need to just give it a rest and let Francis do his job.
 
When I first joined this forum I received a “black mark” on my account for calling the previous Pope, pompous. I meant it in it’s old way of pomp and ceremony. Now I find these forums filled with comments about the current Pope which border on hatred and disobedience. You didn’t question the actions or thoughts of the previous Pope and Pope Francis deserves your respect also. I don’t see how all these allusions to heresy are not being moderated. Don’t you people think that Pope Francis is learned enough to know what can be changed without nasty comments from the “faithful”? It is shocking to me how disrespectful a lot of you are to the current Pontiff.
I’ve been reading these forums since Pope St. John Paul II was the Pope, and I never saw any conservative Catholic say that everything the Pope says is infallible. It’s simply not Catholic teaching to say that a Pope is infallible 24/7. There are certain times when a Pope is infallible, and the rest of the time it’s possible for him to be wrong. That goes for this Pope or for any of the previous Popes to include St. Peter. And I think Pope Francis is actually a lot like how St. Peter was. In general, Catholics should be in agreement with the Pope. But when we have honest concerns about something he has said I think we should charitably express our concerns. And, of course, if he comes out with a definitive statement in answer to those concerns, such as when Pope St. John Paul II issued the infallible answer to the question about females and ordination in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, we should let the issue rest with his decision.
 
Hmmm…nothing bad in itself, but all this certainly leaves the door open for heretical interpretation…
Only if you take a narrow view of what he was saying.

Sometimes we have to express ourselves in new ways, our beliefs in new ways…maybe it seems scary at first…but God surprises us and good things can happen. Obviously many people don’t get the Church’s message, that we love everybody.

A not so distant example: introducing the vernacular into the Mass. Scary at first, but rewarding by making the Gospel more accessible.
 
Only if you take a narrow view of what he was saying.

Sometimes we have to express ourselves in new ways, our beliefs in new ways…maybe it seems scary at first…but God surprises us and good things can happen. Obviously many people don’t get the Church’s message, that we love everybody.

A not so distant example: introducing the vernacular into the Mass. Scary at first, but rewarding by making the Gospel more accessible.
Gospel used to be said in Latin AND the vernacular. Two (name removed by moderator)uts.

But to Pope Paul’s credit he did give us Jubilate Deo; unfortunately very few parishes caught on.
 
Gospel used to be said in Latin AND the vernacular. Two (name removed by moderator)uts.

But to Pope Paul’s credit he did give us Jubilate Deo; unfortunately very few parishes caught on.
LOL…I knew someone would bring something like this up. 🙂

But increased vernacular is a good thing. Obviously totally forgoing Latin wasn’t, but there is still good.

Maybe I should’ve brought up instead breaking away from neo-scolasticism was a scare for many, but many good things resulted. 🙂
 
Please pardon my ignorance, but what is the Pope trying to accomplish with this years and next years synod? Is he wanting to change doctrine to allow divorced and remarried Catholics to be able to receive communion? Also is he trying to change the Church’s stance on same sex marriage and the homosexual lifestyle as acceptable?
 
Please pardon my ignorance, but what is the Pope trying to accomplish with this years and next years synod? Is he wanting to change doctrine to allow divorced and remarried Catholics to be able to receive communion? Also is he trying to change the Church’s stance on same sex marriage and the homosexual lifestyle as acceptable?
supposedly its for a more pastoral approach. I have more and more confidence doctrine will not change. what the bishops seem open to is the idea of allowing remarried catholics to receive communion based on an assessment of personal culpability or presence of mortal sin on the soul than an assessment of the objective situation which is adultery. in a way that is still within church teaching but dangerous close to heresy. I cant read the mind of the pope but I think the idea for the synod stems for a complaint from bishops that want to bring catholics coming back to the church into the sacraments. it not about homosexuality. that was snuck in carelessly in my opinion by only one person (not the pope) but now is part of the discussion. the issue is divorced and remarried catholics who want to return to sacraments but not gay unions.
 
Most dioceses (at least in America and probably in most other Western countries) appear to have already had a long-standing policy of never denying anyone Holy Communion even when everyone knows that the person is mortal sin and is unrepentant about it. An example is politicians who tell the whole world about how they are totally for abortion and then go up to receive Holy Communion. So I’m not sure how the Church can be “more pastoral” without changing or contradicting the established doctrines.
 
Most dioceses (at least in America and probably in most other Western countries) appear to have already had a long-standing policy of never denying anyone Holy Communion even when everyone knows that the person is mortal sin and is unrepentant about it.
We can’t know whether or not a person is in a state of sin. We only know their objective situation about what is happening.

Rejecting giving Communion to an obstinate, unrepentant sinner helps avoid scandal, but even though they are outwardly unrepentant we still can’t know the state of their soul.
So I’m not sure how the Church can be “more pastoral” without changing or contradicting the established doctrines.
If a person in an irregular situation undergoes public penance (and, if we are using the divorced/remarried example often used, assume the two are living as brother/sister), then it could theoretically suffice to avoid scandal and make reception of Communion possible. Making the annulment process easier (I have no idea how that works, just have heard others say it is complicated) would be another way.

Or even presenting the truths of the Faith in another light that more readily shows the light of the Gospel to the modern world, the Gospel’s inherent positivity about humanity in Christ. That’s also something that could be considered a more pastoral approach.

Just some thoughts.
 
Most dioceses (at least in America and probably in most other Western countries) appear to have already had a long-standing policy of never denying anyone Holy Communion even when everyone knows that the person is mortal sin and is unrepentant about it. An example is politicians who tell the whole world about how they are totally for abortion and then go up to receive Holy Communion. So I’m not sure how the Church can be “more pastoral” without changing or contradicting the established doctrines.
Exactly so. I don’t see the problem as one of denying or allowing communion. There never have been any communion police.

The question is going to be rather, is there a way to recognize a second marriage if the first one has never been declared null. That’s the pastoral problem, and it’s going to be tricky, because if one allows for a pastoral “internal forum” type of solution, it could tend to effectively contradict doctrine about the permanence of marriage.
 
Exactly so. I don’t see the problem as one of denying or allowing communion. There never have been any communion police.

The question is going to be rather, is there a way to recognize a second marriage if the first one has never been declared null. That’s the pastoral problem, and it’s going to be tricky, because if one allows for a pastoral “internal forum” type of solution, it could tend to effectively contradict doctrine about the permanence of marriage.
This is my personal speculation, but I doubt that it will finally manifest as elevating some internal authority alone as a resolution. It will have to have some mark of Church regarding the first marriage, but perhaps not the annulment process as we know it.
 
Hmmm…nothing bad in itself, but all this certainly leaves the door open for heretical interpretation…
It shouldn’t be. If you folow the Church and its teachings you will never stay away from the road.
 
True. IF you follow the Church, but many Catholics do not.
True, but thats were that person will get judged. If i see a person speaking about the Church and its teachings it is my right to say no, no your wrong. Show them evidence. If they still go against it, then its an oh well situation.
 
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