Vatican: no papal endorsement for LGBT Catholic video [CNA]

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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...edit_Daniel_Ibez_CNA_2_CNA_6_19_14.jpgVatican City, Mar 16, 2015 / 05:35 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- A Vatican official says there will be no papal endorsement for an LGBT activist video whose backers want it to reach Pope Francis.

Father Gil Martinez, C.S.P., a member of the development team for the video “LGBT Catholics: Owning our Faith,” intended to present the video to Pope Francis in a private audience after morning Mass on March 17, according to the website of the St. Philip Neri Parish and Northwest Paulist Center in the Portland, Ore.

The video contains the personal reflections from self-identified LGBT Catholics, several of whom reject Church teaching.

An official with the Holy See Press Office told CNA March 16 that the Prefecture of the Pontifical Household had not announced any public events for Pope Francis on March 17. This means that “no public or official meetings are scheduled.”

“The Pope can, however, meet whomever he wants, but this cannot mean in any sense an official endorsement, since every audience is intended to be kept private,” the official said. Such meetings are made public “only if some of the people involved speak out about it.”

The press release for the video said it is dedicated to “achieving the full acceptance of LGBT persons in the Catholic Church.” It said that the video evokes “the need for change” and will “reach thousands, including Pope Francis, many bishops and other prominent Vatican clergy.”

The St. Philip Neri Parish website said that Fr. Mark-David Janus, C.S.P., would also present Cardinal Walter Kasper’s newest book from Paulist Press, “Pope Francis’ Revolution of Tenderness and Love.”

The “Owning our Faith” video is produced and directed by Michael Tomae, a parishioner of New York City’s St. Paul the Apostle Church. Fr. Martinez is pastor of the parish, which shares a mailing address with the “Owning our Faith” project. Tomae is part of the parish’s Out@StPaul LGBT ministry, which is promoting the video on its website.

The “Owning our Faith” video includes interviewees who reject Catholic teaching on sexual morality and marriage.

Matt Putorti, a lawyer from New York City, criticized Catholic teaching in the video, claiming that the Church is telling gay people that “they need to be celibate” and “cannot live fully.”

Putorti said it is “inherently” discriminatory to say, “You can be gay, but you can’t live that life.”

Interviewee Matt Vidal, a lawyer from New York City in a same-sex civil marriage, said that leaving the Church would mean that “it’s never going to change.”

“So we have to continue living here, being an example and encouraging other people to be that example because that’s what’s going to change the Church.”

Another interviewee, Matteo Williamson, co-chairs the transgender caucus of the dissenting Catholic group Dignity USA, which aims to change Catholic teaching on homosexuality.

Williamson, who identifies as a transgender man, said this transition was “immensely spiritual to me.”

The “Owning Our Faith” website recommends a list of parishes on the website of New Ways Ministry, another Catholic dissenting group. In 2011, the U.S. Catholic bishops reiterated that the organization is not allowed to identify as Catholic and said that it puts forward positions that do not conform to Catholic teaching.

New Ways Ministry claimed to have received VIP seating at the Feb. 18, 2015 papal audience. However, CNA sources at the Vatican explained that rather than being granted special seats, no requests for the seats were rejected and that the group identified itself only as “a group of lay people accompanied by a Sister of Loretto.”

The group is also promoting the “Owning our Faith” video on its website.

New Ways Ministry and Dignity USA are part of the Equally Blessed Coalition. The Arcus Foundation, a wealthy LGBT activist organization, has given the coalition hundreds of thousands of dollars through Dignity USA.

In 2012, the coalition attacked the U.S. bishops and the Knights of Columbus for defending civil marriage as a union of one man and one woman. In 2014, the Arcus Foundation made a $200,000 grant to the coalition “to support pro-LGBT faith advocates to influence and counter the narrative of the Catholic Church and its ultra-conservative affiliates.”

Catholic teaching rejects all unjust discrimination against homosexual persons while also recognizes homosexual activity as immoral and teaches that marriage is a union only of one man and one woman.

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Vatican: no papal endorsement for LGBT Catholic video

Vatican City, Mar 16, 2015

A Vatican official says there will be no papal endorsement for an LGBT activist video whose backers want it to reach Pope Francis.

Father Gil Martinez, C.S.P., a member of the development team for the video “LGBT Catholics: Owning our Faith,” intended to present the video to Pope Francis in a private audience after morning Mass on March 17, according to the website of the St. Philip Neri Parish and Northwest Paulist Center in the Portland, Ore.

The video contains the personal reflections from self-identified LGBT Catholics, several of whom reject Church teaching.

An official with the Holy See Press Office told EWTN News March 16 that the Prefecture of the Pontifical Household had not announced any public events for Pope Francis on March 17. This means that “no public or official meetings are scheduled.”

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“LGBT Catholics: Owning our Faith,”
The quotes from the supporters in this article are beyond Orwellian.
The irony is, I actually agree with the title they picked of “Owning our Faith.” They actually do own their faith. It isn’t Catholicism. But they do indeed own their own faith.
 
The term “gay” is becoming anachonistic and archaic. As a married man I’ve always been attracted to women but my sexuality is only a part of who I am and in no way defines my life. LGBT groups remind me of children who don’t know right from wrong but believe they are right no matter what the Church says. We are all sinful people who need reconciliation and redemption in order to enter the kingdom of God.
 
I wonder what the sexually disordered dont get.
Sex outside marriage is a mortal sin.
That is because sex is about being open to the prospect of children, to be nurtured by their mother and father.
This is the natural order, as opposed to the disorder.
Now, obviously, in a sexualised culture as ours, many or most will have sexual sins.
But it will always be a sin.
The homosexual, for instance, is a person who will always be loved by the Catholic Church, but the act is a mortal sin.
Just as a thief commits a mortal sin. The act is a mortal sin and always will be, but the thief is always loved by the church.
The mortal sins are despised. The person is loved.
This will never change.
 
LGBT groups remind me of children who don’t know right from wrong but believe they are right no matter what the Church says. We are all sinful people who need reconciliation and redemption in order to enter the kingdom of God.
LGBT groups remind me more of spoiled, bratty children who want to unleash a brutal tantrum whenever they don’t get what they want. It’s this immaturity that annoys me every time things like that video pop up.
 
I do not see them as bratty children; I see this whole issue as a dangerous and organized movement intent on undermining doctrine in a militant fashion.
 
I do not see them as bratty children; I see this whole issue as a dangerous and organized movement intent on undermining doctrine in a militant fashion.
I agree. The entire tolerance movement is not so much about tolerance as it is forced acceptance and agreement. And under those terms, we cannot acquiesce. Venerable Bishop Fulton Sheen has a recording of an address on tolerance. I wish I could find the link to it, for it is very apropos to the current situation.
 
I do not see them as bratty children; I see this whole issue as a dangerous and organized movement intent on undermining doctrine in a militant fashion.
You are right, there are organized movements not only to undermine but to overturn the Church’s doctrine. Evil is working overtime. This is not surprising. The Catholic Church is the one who holds the highest moral standard. Satan hates the Church and will do everything to destroy her. The dark forces not only work with the secular news media but also work within the Church. If the Catholic Church gives up her holiness and moral standard, the entire world will fall under Satan’s feet. This is a very serious situation.
 
Found it. Enjoy!

Venerable Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, circa 1931

“America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance. It is not. It is suffering from tolerance: tolerance of right and wrong,
truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so much overrun with the bigoted as it is
overrun with the broadminded. The man who can make up his mind in an orderly way, as a man might make up his
bed, is called a bigot; but a man who cannot make up his mind, any more than he can make up for lost time, is called
tolerant and broadminded. A bigoted man is one who refuses to accept a reason for anything; a broadminded man is
one who will accept anything for a reason—providing it is not a good reason. It is true that there is a demand for
precision, exactness, and definiteness, but it is only for precision in scientific measurement, not in logic. The
breakdown that has produced this unnatural broadmindedness is mental, not moral. The evidence for this statement
is threefold: the tendency to settle issues not by arguments but by words, the unqualified willingness to accept the
authority of anyone on the subject of religion, and, lastly, the love of novelty.”

Please read the entire article here:
**northamericanmartyrs.org/pdf/Plea-for-Intolerance.pdf
 
LGBT groups remind me more of spoiled, bratty children who want to unleash a brutal tantrum whenever they don’t get what they want. It’s this immaturity that annoys me every time things like that video pop up.
What makes a child bratty? Pray about your answer.

“Those to whom evil is done do evil in return.” - W.H. Auden
 
Speaking of evil:

It is just reported that the resource director of the Catholic Assn for Lesbian and Gay Ministry spoke at the Archdiocese of Los Angeles annual conference for religious educators. Arthur Fitzmaurice denounced the Church’s teaching on homosexuality, saying the Catechism’s language on the issue is “abusive” and “gravely evil.” He further criticized the Church for her “poor and dangerous theology.”
 
What makes a child bratty? Pray about your answer./QUOTE]

It would appear that “bratty children” were referenced in unspoken contrast to well behaved children. Or at least that was I got out of it versus some blanket condemnation of all children as being bratty.
 
It is always the specialty of the evil to call the right wrong and the wrong right. They keep on telling lies and brainwash people with lies. Satan is the father of lies.
 
Speaking of evil:

It is just reported that the resource director of the Catholic Assn for Lesbian and Gay Ministry spoke at the Archdiocese of Los Angeles annual conference for religious educators. Arthur Fitzmaurice denounced the Church’s teaching on homosexuality, saying the Catechism’s language on the issue is “abusive” and “gravely evil.” He further criticized the Church for her “poor and dangerous theology.”
I saw that as well. No crisis in the Church? So not true, and anyone with ears to hear knows it. Ironically, the modern catechism uses the least offensive language the Church has ever used to describe the “unnatural vice.”
 
How can they call themselves Catholic if they reject Church teaching?
It’s what many Catholics do these days. 🤷

It’s not supposed to be normal but it’s reached the point wherein it is. I think we should recognize the fact that many Catholics… don’t actually follow Church teaching as serious enough as most of us are, and that I think is something that should be addressed if we want to do internal evangelization.
 
What makes a child bratty? Pray about your answer.

“Those to whom evil is done do evil in return.” - W.H. Auden
Well… :hmmm:

Yeah I shouldn’t have used the word “bratty”. I wasn’t very charitable in my answer. I didn’t think it through, I’d let my emotions spiral out. 😦
 
How can they call themselves Catholic if they reject Church teaching?
They can’t call themselves faithful to the Church. But sin doesn’t de-baptize you (CCC §1272), so if they were baptized, they will always be Catholics.
 
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