Vatican: Obama seeks "common ground" on abortion

[edwest2]

God is not a respector of persons. All of us are individuals in His eyes. God does not force us to serve or love Him. The Pope is in the chair of Peter. Let’s stop venting our frustration by predicting the future. Christ came to bring hope. And Presidennt Obama should meet with the Holy Father, and by the power of the Holy Spirit, he may be converted.

Imagine for a moment the rejoicing there would be if the President took positive steps to decrease the murder of the innocents and, ultimately, put an end to it. God is the God of miracles. Have faith and wait on Him. And in the meantime, do what you can.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Toughguy]

God is not a respector of persons. All of us are individuals in His eyes. God does not force us to serve or love Him. The Pope is in the chair of Peter. Let’s stop venting our frustration by predicting the future. Christ came to bring hope. And Presidennt Obama should meet with the Holy Father, and by the power of the Holy Spirit, he may be converted.

Imagine for a moment the rejoicing there would be if the President took positive steps to decrease the murder of the innocents and, ultimately, put an end to it. God is the God of miracles. Have faith and wait on Him. And in the meantime, do what you can.

Peace,
Ed

I have total faith in God, just not in a Liberal politician from Crook County Illinois.

 

[yellowbird]

DavidHume ~ I agree with you.

I have faith in the power of the Holy Spirit… I’m not about to assume the worst and you’re right… we’d complain if Obama refused a meeting. So let’s all wait and see. Obama’s response to this meeting might be the answer to our prayers?

 

[Newbie2]

Here you have the President of the United States meeting with Pope Benedict and srlucado can only call names and make derisive comments.

Would you all prefer that President Obama ignore what the Pope has to say and refuse to meet him? That is, after all, what an actual radical socialist would do.

Obama will meet with him and refuse to change his mind = my prediction.

So you would prefer that President Obama not meet with the Pope, but for mere worldly political reasons? Why don’t you have a bit more faith in God and Pope Benedict to change his mind?

God doesn’t always change people’s minds. I’m predicting that Obama will try to make political hay out of this meeting, and veil his obstinate support of murder of the unborn with tripe like, “The pope and I agree that there should be fewer abortions.”, then continue his support of the culture of death.

I’d also like to be proven wrong.

 

[Toughguy]

DavidHume ~ I agree with you.

I have faith in the power of the Holy Spirit… I’m not about to assume the worst and you’re right… we’d complain if Obama refused a meeting. So let’s all wait and see. Obama’s response to this meeting might be the answer to our prayers?

LOL There is a difference between Faith, and wishful thinking. Even I said after Obama was elected: “Let’s wait and see what he does”.

He turned out to be more Liberal than I thought. You can wait and hope all you want, but you will be let down. I have faith in that much.

 

[nancit]

Obama will meet with him and refuse to change his mind = my prediction.

God doesn’t always change people’s minds. I’m predicting that Obama will try to make political hay out of this meeting, and veil his obstinate support of murder of the unborn with tripe like, “The pope and I agree that there should be fewer abortions.”, then continue his support of the culture of death.

I’d also like to be proven wrong.

I totally agree with you Newbie…I also believe that Obama would refuse even a visit with the Pope…just as he refused to actually recognize National Prayer Day. He will say meeting with the Pope, who is not a politician, will offer the appearance of the government condoning one religion over another…or drivel like that.

Having faith also means, not pretending that evil doesn’t exist. Obama is an evil man, period. Can he be converted, sure…everyone can be…but let’s not fool ourselves and believe that this man who has already made some of the most blantant power grabs and abused his authority beyond any other, is suddenly going to turn around while still in “power”. Many times, God brings us to our knees FIRST, then conversion takes place.

 

[DavidHume]

tripe like, “The pope and I agree that there should be fewer abortions.”

Out of curiosity, why do you call that tripe?

 

[srlucado]

At least that would be honest.

But since you have such great confidence in Obama’s open-mindedness, how about a wager? Are you willing to bet that Obama comes away from a meeting with the Pope with any changed opinions at all?

Or is it more likely that he’ll make some empty speech and keep right on being the same narcissist he is today, and has been since forever?

Oh, there I go, name-calling again. Golly. What else did I call him, a “socialist”? Let’s see…in four months in office, he spends a trillion dollars on make-work government projects, but he’s not a socialist; dicates to banks, but he’s not a socialist; takes over two huge industrial companies, but he’s not a socialist; wants to raise taxes “on the rich”, but he’s not a socialist; promises money to people who can’t pay mortgages they never should have gotten in the first place, but he’s not a socialist; advocates federal control over salaries, but he’s not a socialist; wants to nationalize health care, but he’s *still *not a socialist.

What *exactly *would he have to do to qualify? Hang posters of Mao, Marx, and Lenin in the Oval Office?

Well, I gotta go pack. The bus for the re-education camp leaves in half an hour.

 

[DavidHume]

wants to nationalize health care, but he’s *still *not a socialist.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_14091981_laborem-exercens_en.html

Besides wages, various social benefits intended to ensure the life and health of workers and their families play a part here. The expenses involved in health care, especially in the case of accidents at work, demand that medical assistance should be easily available for workers, and that as far as possible it should be cheap or even free of charge.

 

[MDK]

But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.

– Matthew 5:44-48

Wouldn’t it be more charitable to wait until the meeting has happened before passing judgment on it?

One might ask why does an Atheist quote Scriptures, when they don’t believe them? One may also ask why does the Atheist not understand the real nature of this thread conversation? The Atheistic path results in the most lost of individuals, not knowing truth from fiction, having no way of getting closer to the Ultimate Reality, which is God.

No, there’s nothing wrong with discussing this before it happens. We know the 0le bad man’s stripes, and the likelihood of them changing is slim to none. The only thing that may change his position is that the public opinion in the US swings pro-life… and hey, that just happened as well for the first time in 15 years. So, we’ll see. However, 0bama has shown himself to be a hard core supporter of killing babies to solve “problems.”

 

[MDK]

Out of curiosity, why do you call that tripe?

Everything 0bama is doing is just the opposite of promoting fewer abortions. It’s just idle talk intended to distract, rather than be meaningful and truthful. The way he shows to solve “problems” is to be anti-life, promotion of condoms, removal of abstinence training for those before marriage (not that you would link that with life we speak about), federal funding for abortions to make it easier, etc.

Does one behave as though their head is in the sand not to see this? You seem to have answered that with rejection of Truth.

 

[elts1956]

I agree. Either way someone is going to have to give in.

But whats just a few dead babies, right?

I don’t think either of them will give in. Pope Benedict XVI because he is right in his beliefs and teachings, bo because he is arrogant.

 

[elts1956]

I agree. Either way someone is going to have to give in.

But whats just a few dead babies, right?

Every sentence except one was present-tense.

How would one say the same thing in the past tense? The future tense? Prediction? I predict it will be a standoff.

 

[elts1956]

Here you have the President of the United States meeting with Pope Benedict and srlucado can only call names and make derisive comments.

Would you all prefer that President Obama ignore what the Pope has to say and refuse to meet him? That is, after all, what an actual radical socialist would do.

And because bo will LOOK attentive, but not really listen, we finally know what he is. A radical socialist…

 

[Middleman]

Obama’s idea of common ground on abortion is to prevent pregnancies by abolishing abstinence programs and making every type of birth control widely available to as many people possible.

 

[mapleoak]

Just as with Notre Dame having been an opportunity for Obama to deceive and divide, so too would be his intentions with meeting the Holy Father. He is willing to bear having to listen to the Holy Father beat him up with reason and knowledge if it means he can get a good photo op. Then he can scandalize the country again by illustrating his ‘good relations’ with the Catholic Church and the ‘support’ it has for him.

 

[srlucado]

Just as with Notre Dame having been an opportunity for Obama to deceive and divide, so too would be his intentions with meeting the Holy Father. He is willing to bear having to listen to the Holy Father beat him up with reason and knowledge if it means he can get a good photo op. Then he can scandalize the country again by illustrating his ‘good relations’ with the Catholic Church and the ‘support’ it has for him.

Yep…and isn’t it amazing (depressing) how many people will be fooled by it?

 

[Newbie2]

Out of curiosity, why do you call that tripe?

Because Obama doesn’t believe that there should be fewer abortions. If he did, then he’d act to reduce the number of abortions, and he’s done exactly the opposite. Would it make more sense if I said Obama was a liar?

 

[elts1956]

Out of curiosity, why do you call that tripe?

I would say it is tripe because, as usual, bo will use such words which have, for him, no meaning, nor honesty intherent in them.

 

[chain]

Does the Vatican newspaper have a nihil obstat and imprimatur? Or is this article just a reflection of the popular European approval of our current president (as apposed to actual Vatican approval)?