Vatican official: Abuse of norms contributed to Tridentine decision

[BobP123]

is that a union meeting?

That looks like every parish in ontario, made after 1970. No wonder it was a shock to myself to find out that the mass was actually a sacrifice!

Especially when the definition of Mass changed:

In the Novus Ordo Mass, we find a new definition of the Mass in the General Preface, which reads:

“The Lord’s Supper is the assembly or gathering together of the people of God, with a priest presiding to celebrate the memorial of the Lord. For this reason the promise of Christ is particularly true of a local congregation of the Church: ‘Where two or three are gathered in my name there am I in their midst’” (General Instruction to the Novus Ordo, April 6, 1969).

 

[joelacour]

There is nothing wrong with the Norvus Ordo when it is celebrated properly. We have to remind ourselves that we rejoice when we go up to the house of the Lord. To me, that means a certain respectful attitude, dress and decorum.

I don’t care what form of the Latin Rite we attend, if we don’t have those traits, we’re missing something.

 

[BobP123]

There is nothing wrong with the Norvus Ordo when it is celebrated properly.

:yawn: :yawn:

 

[Brennan_Doherty]

Not compatible with the dignity of man.

A boy and his little sister are making a desk tidy for Daddy’s birthday. Little sister insists on decorating it with felt tip, at which point the boy becomes annoyed. The telly said to use sticky back plastic. They fall out over it.

In a sense the boy is right. But in fact the felt-tip desk tidy would not be displeasing to Daddy.

Well, except the attitudes are most likely entirely different. The girl is honestly trying to please Daddy and makes an innocent mistake. The priests who abuse the liturgy most likely know what they are doing, but they may want to get a point across.

 

[St_Isidore]

is that a union meeting?

That looks like every parish in ontario, made after 1970. No wonder it was a shock to myself to find out that the mass was actually a sacrifice!

Not just look like, some are worse. Especially in the Toronto region and the GTA (Greater Toronto Area).

 

[St_Isidore]

There is nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo when it is celebrated properly

In an Archdiocese of millions, I have yet to see or hear this occur.
However, I have seen great emphasis on Halloween and none on All Saints and All Souls days, more emphasis on Santa and his elves that on Jesus the Christ for Christmas, girls dresses in pagan white dresses dancing around the altar for no apparent reason, Confirmation of individuals living in Mortal Sin, Homilies suggestive of sports rather than Christ and his Word, etc., etc., The list goes on.
This of course has not occurred in any way whatsoever in the TLM’s (indult, SSPX, independent, CMRI) for obvious reasons.

 

[brigid12]

IMO, we get the Liturgy we derserve. The abuses were result of contraception introduced to the faithful: when we contracept, we commit sin and as a punishment, God decides to remove the abundance of grace given to us at Liturgy, as a result the Church rececdes from certain areas, which has a double effect because we are not being sanctified, and we are not sanctified, we cannot convert the world, and the graces that flow to the world via the Liturgy are stopped. Hence, you see that Liturgy moves the world: Liturgy makes history.

This morning in prayer what you’ve said here became very clear to me. Thank you.

 

[puzzleannie]

my only response is “duh, you think?”
I recall well warnings at the time from pulpits and Catholic media that many so called “reforms” or bastardizations of the reforms would lead to liturgical abuse, lack of respect and diminish belief in the Real Presence. A prophet is always without honor in his own place.

 

[WanderAimlessly]

There is nothing wrong with the Norvus Ordo when it is celebrated properly. We have to remind ourselves that we rejoice when we go up to the house of the Lord. To me, that means a certain respectful attitude, dress and decorum.

I don’t care what form of the Latin Rite we attend, if we don’t have those traits, we’re missing something.

You forget. There is a great disdain for the Ordinary Form of the Mass by some here. It would not matter if it celebrated properly, they will still see it as a “clown” Mass.

My parish is an excellent example of the Ordinary Form being celebrated properly:

1. 
   *]Said Ad Orientum.
   *]Chant is often used for the Gloria, Sanctus, and Agnus Dei (priest dependent)
   *]Latin is used (again priest dependent) for the Eucharistic Prayers.
   *]Only organ music except for the occasional “Orchestral Mass” which uses symphonic instruments.
   *]Communion on the tongue at the altar rail.
   *]Exclusive use if Altar Boys.
   The parish also has an Extraordinary Form Mass on weekdays and Sundays.

 

[stmaria]

You forget. There is a great disdain for the Ordinary Form of the Mass by some here. It would not matter if it celebrated properly, they will still see it as a “clown” Mass.

My parish is an excellent example of the Ordinary Form being celebrated properly:

1. 
   *]Said Ad Orientum.
   *]Chant is often used for the Gloria, Sanctus, and Agnus Dei (priest dependent)
   *]Latin is used (again priest dependent) for the Eucharistic Prayers.
   *]Only organ music except for the occasional “Orchestral Mass” which uses symphonic instruments.
   *]Communion on the tongue at the altar rail.
   *]Exclusive use if Altar Boys.
   The parish also has an Extraordinary Form Mass on weekdays and Sundays.

1. 
   If ALL Ordinary Forms of the Mass were like the one in your parish there never would have a need for the SSPX or FSSP. Sadly this is not the case. I would love to go to that Mass. Where is it exactly?

 

[WanderAimlessly]

If ALL Ordinary Forms of the Mass were like the one in your parish there never would have a need for the SSPX or FSSP. Sadly this is not the case. I would love to go to that Mass. Where is it exactly?

Assumption Grotto in Detroit. I travel 22 miles to get to it.

 

[brotherhrolf]

I’ve driven 25 miles for the last 24 years. It’s that important.