Vatican okays NRSV

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Jesus didn’t teach the disciples the Our Mother–he taught them the Our Father.

If you have a problem with that you have a problem with Jesus!
 
athansor said:
I can understand people wanting the best and most accurate translation of the original language, and I can understand that using gender neutral language sometimes sounds awkward.

What I don’t understand is why all the ire? It may sound a bit strange if a parish priest says God’s Church instead of His Church, or begins a reading with brothers and sisters in Christ, instead of brothers in Christ, but is it wrong in the sense of being blasphemous? Are we missing a big part of God’s message if we don’t think of him as a man, or if we think that the early epistles were meant to address both male and female members of the congregation?
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Those aren’t usually as much of the problem for people. Instead, usually, the problems with using gender neutral language is when it becomes a slippery slope, where in some translations, certain parables or symbolisms that are written for specifically the perspective of one gender are tried to be converted to pertain to both genders, many times with really bad and inaccurate results.

Also, there is the feminists-created “problem” where they have created this false issue where the third person singular personal pronoun ‘he’ is somehow not supposed to be allowed to be used for what it always has also been, which is to be used as the proper generic or non-gender-specific third person singular pronoun in English, for which there is no other great alternative.

To compensate, they are often forced to use the indefinite personal pronoun ‘one’ in odd ways, or they use the “singular” they, which forces them to reword the tense, and this throws off the ability to know whether the plural or singular is really being referred to. There is an information loss that occurs in the translation when doing this, similar to the information loss that occurs when they take out the archaic second person singular pronoun “thou” and replace it with the ambiguous “you”.
 
athansor said:
I don’t get the problem. Do you think it sounds funny/bad? Do you think God prefers to be referred to in the masculine? Does God have gender?
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Don’t YOU think it sound funny or bad? It sure does to me. Quite clunky and inelegant. English has always conventionally used the masculine for God because of his fatherly relationship with us. Eliminating the use of pronouns is just plain ugly-sounding indeed.
 
mccorm45 said:
Its not so much a slippery slope, but rather the people failing to pronounce the words which the text actually says. That is more a discipline problem than a problem with the current text.
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Political correctness-applied to faith. Nothing less.
 
Jerry-Jet said:
Jesus didn’t teach the disciples the Our Mother–he taught them the Our Father.

If you have a problem with that you have a problem with Jesus!
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Exactly right! What does this have to do with the Vatican approving the NRSV for the Canadian lectionary?
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mmortal03:
I just don’t get why they are letting it be used in Canada as part of the Lectionary, as is. I might be forgetting something, but were there actually any textual changes made to the NRSV for the Canadian Lectionary?
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The article certainly implies that there were changes:“With most of its inclusive language intact, and an 18-year fight behind it, theologians were careful about the question of who won the language war over the Canadian lectionary” However, neither this article nor any other that I searched provided the details of what changes have been made - I’m sure this will become more clear within the next few weeks.
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po18guy:
Praise God in Heaven that the Holy Spirit chooses the Pope!
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The College of Cardinals chooses the pope. The Holy Spirit merely guides them.
 
mmortal03 said:
I just don’t get why they are letting it be used in Canada as part of the Lectionary, as is. I might be forgetting something, but were there actually any textual changes made to the NRSV for the Canadian Lectionary?
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Yes:“The Lectionary is the result of important cooperation between members of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and officials of the Holy See. While most of the Lectionary text has not been altered, changes have been made so that the Word proclaimed in our churches will be clearer or more accurate.”

—from the link in post #4.
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Manfred said:
“Suscipiat Dominus sacrificium de manibus tuis, ad laudem et gloriam nominis sui, ad utilitatem quoque nostram, totiusque Ecclesiae suae sanctae.”

The Latin says “HIS Name”, “HIS Holy Church”. And THAT’s how it should be rendered in English!!! :mad:
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Why does it have to be a direct Latin translation? Was the Latin version a translation of Aramaic or Greek?
 
Manfred said:
Because it’s the LATIN-RITE Mass of which we are speaking here, not that of any of the Eastern Rites.
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That seems beside the point. Is it similarly necessary that the Romanian Catholics use translations only from previous Romanian language scripture?
 
Philothea53 said:
Inclusive language has given us the likes of:

May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise of glory of God’s name, for our good and the good of all God’s Church.

…slippery slope…
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I recently heard parishioners respond this way on a televised Mass.
 
athansor said:
…Does God have gender?
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Well, even Jesus called God the FATHER.

We accept he truly is the father of Jesus, the same way we all have our own fathers on earth. Now, I dont know about you, but I don’t call my father ‘mother’, and vice versa;)

Matt
 
If the Vatican aka: RCC approves, who are we to question? If you are a faithful Roman Catholic, shouldn’t you accept the guidance of the Church?
 
This is good.

Personally, I like the inclusive language and I use the NRSV, Catholic edition, as my study Bible.

By accident, I purchased a Canadian NRSV, and the only difference I really noticed is that sometimes they use the British spelling of words.

If the NRSV is OK’d by the Vatican, that should settle matters.
 
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