Vatican picks the Beatles and Oasis among its top ten albums

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Note how this “L’Osservatore Romano” is depicted:

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L’Osservatore Romano is the “semi-official”[1] newspaper of the Holy See. It covers all the Pope’s public activities, publishes editorials by important churchmen, and runs official documents after being released. The publication prints two Latin mottoes under the masthead of each edition: Unicuique suum (“To each his own”) and Non praevalebunt ("[The gates of Hell] shall not prevail").[2] The current editor-in-chief is Giovanni Maria Vian.
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Today, the paper takes a more objective and subdued stance than at the time of its foundation, priding itself in “presenting the genuine face of the church and the ideals of freedom”, following the statement by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone in an October 2006 speech inaugurating a new exhibit dedicated to the founding and history of the newspaper.[3] He further described the publication as “an instrument for spreading the teachings of the successor of Peter and for information about church events”.[3]
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L’Osservatore Romano sounds autonomous but apparently it is located and headquartered inside the Vatican NOT in Rome.
In this photo provided by the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, Pope Francis lights a candle in Rome’s St. Mary Major Basilica he unexpectedly visited for a moment of prayer in view of his upcoming trip to Brazil to celebrate the World Youth Day, Saturday, July 20, 2013. Francis leaves Monday, July 22 for Rio de Janeiro, where more than a million young Catholics are expected to celebrate their new pope. The 76-year-old Argentine became the church’s first pontiff from the Americas in March, and the trip to Brazil is his first international journey since becoming pontiff. Catholic youth festivals are meant to reinvigorate the faithful, and Francis is expected to inspire young people with his humble ways. (AP Photo/L’Osservatore Romano, ho)
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L’Osservatore Romano
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Il quotidiano della Santa Sede
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The Daily of the Holy See.
 
pardrepiochild said:
extremely grateful for all the (name removed by moderator)ut… i feel better informed now! forgive me if it was a previous topic on here.
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Oh, it’s not you. Sorry about that. I hope you didn’t think I was rolling my eyes at you. :o I was rolling my eyes at “The Telegraph”.

Everytime L’Osservatore Romano publishes one of their lists, there are always a bunch of headlines about the “Vatican” making some sort of pronouncement on popular culture. It’s so predictable that I knew exactly what had happened just by the headline in your thread title without even looking at the article you linked to or what any of the other posters said.

But when you are coming across one of these types of stories for the first time, it is a bit confusing. Sadly, it’s not the first time this has happened. And it won’t be the last.
 
pardrepiochild said:
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7236258/Vatican-picks-the-Beatles-and-Oasis-among-its-top-ten-albums.html
I can’t get my reason to kick in with this ^ (thought Christians were to move away from pop music and things?) for a more “sacred ethos” i would value everyone’s opinions and views.
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It’s important for non-Catholic posters to know the differences between Catholics and other denominations.

Some Christian denominations are strict when it comes to things like Harry Potter or even the Beatles.

But I think Catholics have an appreciation for talented art, especially when your songs are about “love and peace” to quote George Harrison of the Beatles.

There may be Catholics who don’t want to identify with secular culture on religious grounds and they are free in conscience to do so, but in reference to the Vatican, it’s been my observation they are more interested in the themes and moral lessons we can take from media and art.
 
I remember reading about this from a catholic newspaper a few years ago about the Vatican listing these on their top 10 list. Needless to say I was little agitated and angry that the Vatican recommends these, which consequently lead to my mom seeing my agitated mood and ended up getting mad at me and yelling at me:D

On the other hand, we need to keep in mind that less than 20 years the Vatican listed the top 45 movies of the twentieth century, some of which contain strong sexual content and graphic violence.
 
iamcatholic100 said:
I remember reading about this from a catholic newspaper a few years ago about the Vatican listing these on their top 10 list. Needless to say I was little agitated and angry that the Vatican recommends these, which consequently lead to my mom seeing my agitated mood and ended up getting mad at me and yelling at me:D

On the other hand, we need to keep in mind that less than 20 years the Vatican listed the top 45 movies of the twentieth century, some of which contain strong sexual content and graphic violence.
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We also need to keep in mind that it is not “the Vatican” that produces these lists at all but writers for the newspaper L’Osservatore Romano. 🙂
 
Joe_5859 said:
We also need to keep in mind that it is not “the Vatican” that produces these lists at all but writers for the newspaper L’Osservatore Romano. 🙂
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Right! It is the opinion of the people who write for L`Osservatore Romano, not the pope himself. Everyone has there right to an opinion. However, the writers sometimes make mistakes whenever they look at figure in pop culture. For instance, the newspaper spoke of Homer Simpson as a Catholic, and how he is a good example ( or something like that). But the reality is, Homer Simpson is a Protestant Methodist, like the other Simpson family members, with the exception of Lisa, who converted to Buddism later on in the series. In addition, secular media outlets usual misinterpret , twist and distort what the pope says regarding moral dilemmas, such as the use of condoms:
Source : zenit.org/en/articles/bishop-read-the-pope-s-condom-comments
 
iamcatholic100 said:
For instance, the newspaper spoke of Homer Simpson as a Catholic, and how he is a good example ( or something like that). But the reality is, Homer Simpson is a Protestant Methodist, like the other Simpson family members, …
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The Simpsons are members of The Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism, actually.
 
Darryl1958 said:
The selection of all time top albums dates these Vatican newspaper editors too.🙂

Rumours was a great album for sure. I can’t much remember the lyrics, but it is the mood and the beauty of the music that is remembered about all good music.

The message of some of this music wasn’t always, or even often, that great, but they speak of what it is like living in the world as it is now. That is what makes it popular.

In another thirty years, I am guessing when that generation comes of age into those kind of jobs, it will be rap music that will make the list, and the message of that genre is further down the road from Catholicism.
Luckily, people still listen to the music for the music, and the message is of secondary importance, or often not really important at all.

Music is one of the pleasures of life for sure.
For Catholics too, no less.
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I listen for music’s sake. Not the message. That is what was so good about the 80s. We all listened to the music only. 👍
 
LaSainte said:
I love that U2’s Achtung Baby is on the list. My favorite album of all time. I can just turn it on and listen all the way through. One is my favorite song of all time with Mysterious Ways following close behind. 🙂
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Yeah, I love that album too. And “Revolver” is my favorite Beatles album. Whoever picked these is pretty astute.
 
garysibio said:
What! Haven’t these guys ever listened to “Workingman’s Dead”? Sheesh!
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👍 Agreed, well, “Wake of the Flood” actually is a Biblical theme, an album that came out later though the one you mention is stronger.
 
Becca3 said:
I listen for music’s sake. Not the message. That is what was so good about the 80s. We all listened to the music only. 👍
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Like Madonna was big in the '80s?

The Clash, U2, Springsteen all produced music in the '80s and are hardly not just about the music though music is multiple dimensional, song, lyrics, sound, instruments.

I guess Springsteen’s early music can be a bit gritty but he was raised Catholic certainly and a lot of his music has a moral message. I don’t buy his being an Obama supporter but otherwise, I’ve seen pictures of him wearing Miraculous Medals and some of his music expresses good intent.

But the cover of Rumours may even be a bit suggestive at that.
 
I agree with the Vatican’s real position of remaining neutral on the matter of rock music. Surely though, rock music must not be placed on a pedestal.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
The music is one thing (enjoyable to many of us). The messages in the music are something else entirely. They include the fanciful (OK), allusions to hallucinatory drugs (not OK), and atheism (“Imagine,” not OK). I didn’t read the article. Is is just all-Beatles? or particular albums/songs?
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OK, Lennon was atheist, but “Imagine” is description of paradise where there is no hate and religion. Religion is necessary for the present life, but not eternal life.
 
I deleted all the pop, rock, jazz and blues from my playlist. All I have now are classical (tons of Gregorian chants and choral) and religious music. 👍
 
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