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Fitz
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Since the Cardinal has visited prisons around the world, I hope he made sure to visit some Cuban ones when he visited Castro. It is really hard to read this when he went to Cuba to celebrate, where human rights are not exactly honored.
Here is the most telling paragraph of the article:
Cardinal Martino had traveled to Cuba for celebrations marking the 20th anniversary of the first national conference of Cuban bishops. The bishops had been unable to meet because of severe restrictions on religious activity in the years following Castro’s ascent to power.
Here is the most telling paragraph of the article:
Cardinal Martino had traveled to Cuba for celebrations marking the 20th anniversary of the first national conference of Cuban bishops. The bishops had been unable to meet because of severe restrictions on religious activity in the years following Castro’s ascent to power.
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EtienneGilson
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And how dare the previous pontif celebrate anything in America where human rights are trampled daily in abortion mills.
The article is about America not living up to human rights standards at Guantanamo Bay. If everyone else on earth doesn’t live up to those standards that still doesn’t make it acceptable for the USA to ignore them. It is like saying to the priest in confession: my neighbour beats his wife, why can’t?
The article is about America not living up to human rights standards at Guantanamo Bay. If everyone else on earth doesn’t live up to those standards that still doesn’t make it acceptable for the USA to ignore them. It is like saying to the priest in confession: my neighbour beats his wife, why can’t?
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Fitz
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The USA is not ignoring any standards. This is my opinion.
Cuban religious have not even been able to meet due to severe restrictions. I applaud the Vatican for visiting them. I pity what they live through daily under a restrictive government.
I am sorry if I see the irony in this statement from Rome. I think we all need to pray for people oppressed everywhere- not just those detained in prison for crimes.
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Libero
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Finally, a response from a Vatican official.
This may prove harder for Catholics in support of Guantanamo to ignore?
This may prove harder for Catholics in support of Guantanamo to ignore?
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bones_IV
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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWN.
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Libero
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Yawning at the cardinal or at me?
I thought this would happen, of course it is okay to rejoice about the comments Cardinals make about abortion and homosexuality, because those are all very Catholic comments, which you happen to agree with.
But as soon as a Cardinal expresses a comment that you don’t like, suddenly it isn’t a Catholic viewpoint, suddenly comments from Cardinal’s do not have as much authority…
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bones_IV
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It’s your interpretation that made me yawn.
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Libero
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Well go outside and get some oxygen then - maybe you will be able to see things more clearly when you get back
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gelsbern
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Here you go, you enemy combatant, we could have shot you dead on site in the field of war, but we spared your life. We feed you, we clothe you, we respect your religious beliefs. Granted we have had a few incidents that weren’t so nice, but you weren’t made to suffer physically, and you still had recourse to your Allah, but that doesn’t matter to our people, they say keeping you prisoner is wrong, they say trying to get information out of you so that we can save thousands of lives is wrong, so we’ll take you back out to the field of combat, and we’ll shoot you dead like we could have done in the first place.
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Ani_Ibi
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Oh! Oh! We could set them free again so that they can blow up more innocents in the name of whatever it is this time. And Oh! Oh! While we are at it, we should “support our troops” by “bringing them home.”
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Fitz
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I just think that when the entirity of Cuba is a prison on many levels, it is difficult to listen to the complaint against a US detention camp where the people are fed, housed, allowed religious prayers- Korans, etc. What was the good Cardinal thinking? Or perhpas we need the whole interview and not just the part where he complained about the USA detention camp.
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bones_IV
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Releasing prisoner information during the war will be used against us.Well go outside and get some oxygen then - maybe you will be able to see things more clearly when you get back
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Libero
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Reassuring the people that the dignity of the human is not being violated cannot be used against you - I can understand where the Cardinal is coming from.
As Catholics, we have a duty to ensure that the dignity and equality of all people is upheld, and that no actions occur that dimish this dignity which is present in all human life - regardless of what attrocities those whom are detained may have comitted.
Just because the government has clothed them in cheap and uncomfortable clothes, does not mean that they are fulfilling all the requirements.
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bones_IV
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However, it is a time of war Libero. It is not appropriate to release the prisoner information. It’s true there is abuse, but that doesn’t in any support the argument that we should shut down Gitmo.
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Libero
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Shutting it down is not wanted so that prisoners can be released, but rather so that we can be assured that we are acting in a morally sound manner, one cannot help but think that if there was nothing dubious occuring at Guantanamo, then the detainees would simply be kept in America.
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