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Seamus_L
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Don’t know for certain yet, but I’ve heard both that synod participants will be split right down the middle between traditionally minded and liberal bishops by some accounts, and that liberals will be in the majority in others. I expect a more thorough breakdown on who will be voting should be out soon.
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Neofight
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Im sorry, I m not aware of any “Traditional minded” or “liberal” bishops, but only Catholic Bishops…any decisions made will be fine.
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Joe_5859
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Also from the U.S.:
Kurtz, Chaput, DiNardo, Gomez, Dolan, Cupich, and Murry
Those are the bishops who will be there. It looks like there are also a handful of others from the United States who will be there in some capacity.
Kurtz, Chaput, DiNardo, Gomez, Dolan, Cupich, and Murry
Those are the bishops who will be there. It looks like there are also a handful of others from the United States who will be there in some capacity.
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Maximilan_Kolbe
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Nonsense. Call a spade a spade. Some Church leaders throughout history have been terrible. I won’t name names so as to avoid an infraction, but let’s not act as though they are all good or in line with Church teaching.
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Robert_Bay
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J_Peterson
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I was going to say that liberals can also be traditional minded. I find the idea that us liberals throw tradition aside silly and a bit tiring. Like you said they are all Catholic, divisions are not helpful in anything. A difference of opinion isn’t enough to make an enemy.
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Maximilan_Kolbe
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I agree, though it depends on whether the difference of opinion is well-intended, or one held to simply destroy the Church. The latter exists in great numbers, sadly.
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Colorad007
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You musn’t have been a Catholic for very long.
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Colorad007
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What makes a Catholic a liberal Catholic is a desire to change the tradition of the Church. If you fully embrace all of the Church’s teachings, then you aren’t a liberal Catholic.
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Memaw
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Let’s not forget, the Holy Spirit will be there among them. And the Pope will be there too, he has the final say. Christ promised that HIS Church would NEVER teach error. Let’s trust HIM. God Bless, Memaw
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Maximilan_Kolbe
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The Holy Spirit is always with us, never more so than in a gathering of Holy Catholic men and leaders. However, we must listen to the Spirit. The Holy Spirit was with Peter when he denied Christ. The Holy Spirit was with the Apostles when they fell asleep in Gethsemane. The Holy Spirit was with Pope Gregory when he fathered children. They didn’t listen.
Having said that, I need to prayer more fervently for our leaders at the Synod; perhaps I should post less and pray more
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Neofight
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Putting faith in the work of the Church hierarchy is putting faith in the Holy Spirit, and visa versa. To do otherwise one might as well be Protestant. I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church and cannot speak for others.
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oliver927
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None of those are examples of the Church teaching error. All of those are examples of human failures/weakness.The Holy Spirit is always with us, never more so than in a gathering of Holy Catholic men and leaders. However, we must listen to the Spirit. The Holy Spirit was with Peter when he denied Christ. The Holy Spirit was with the Apostles when they fell asleep in Gethsemane. The Holy Spirit was with Pope Gregory when he fathered children. They didn’t listen.
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Maximilan_Kolbe
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Perhaps not, though there have been historically bad Pope’s. Whether or not they were chosen correctly one cannot say. All I am saying is the person must be open to what the Holy Spirit is saying for the Spirit to act through them.
Bishops have said things that will never see the light of day in terms of truly changing Church teaching, as they were so in error. Does that speak to the lack of the Spirit, or the unwillingness of the Bishop to listen?
Either way, we are asked to pray for the Synod for a reason - one would presume they do actually need our prayers.
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Seamus_L
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Quite a big difference between the German-Belgium bishops and the ones from Poland.
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Colorad007
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The Church can do a lot of dumb or even immoral things–or at least a majority of the hierarchy. The great mystery of the Church is that she is the spotless bride and Christ and yet also a human institution filled with plenty of scheming heretics drunk on the smoke of satan. What she cannot do is magisterially teach error in faith and morals. The synod could actually do a great deal of harm to the Church and the moral credibility of her proclamation of the truth. So putting faith in a mere process that can go very wrong is reckless. Having faith in the Holy Spirit means that you can trust Church teaching and the Magisterium snd that whatever happens your soul is secure.
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Colorad007
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It is going to be quite a brawl. Maybe even literally á la St. Nicholas and the heretics.
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LongingSoul
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Oh that’s rubbish. Pope Francis is being very clear with the participants about the spirit in which the synod is held. In his closing speech to the Extraordinary synod he said this…
The is the Church, our Mother! And when the Church, in the variety of her charisms, expresses herself in communion, she cannot err: it is the beauty and the strength of the sensus fidei, of that supernatural sense of the faith which is bestowed by the Holy Spirit so that, together, we can all enter into the heart of the Gospel and learn to follow Jesus in our life. And this should never be seen as a source of confusion and discord.
Many commentators, or people who talk, have imagined that they see a disputatious Church where one part is against the other, doubting even the Holy Spirit, the true promoter and guarantor of the unity and harmony of the Church – the Holy Spirit who throughout history has always guided the barque, through her Ministers, even when the sea was rough and choppy, and the ministers unfaithful and sinners.
And, as I have dared to tell you , [as] I told you from the beginning of the Synod, it was necessary to live through all this with tranquillity, and with interior peace, so that the Synod would take place cum Petro and sub Petro (with Peter and under Peter), and the presence of the Pope is the guarantee of it all.
He clearly sees the main problem as lying with the ‘many commentators’ or ‘people who talk’.
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Colorad007
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The last synod was apparently quite raucous (or “rigged,” to use Edward Pentin’s term), despite the Pope’s desire for serenity and calm. As it should be, too, when a significant group of participants attempts to introduce heterodoxical practices into Church discipline.
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