Vatican responds to CDF official’s “coming out” [CNA]

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OK, we got at least two other threads on this. Can we consolidate please?
 
Good! I am glad the Church acted swiftly. The fact that this man held a psot in the CDF is disturbing.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Surely. That makes sense.
But I guess it’s also possible that some inside the Vatican, including other priests, supported him living this double-life and secretly don’t agree with the church’s teachings on homosexuality? …
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I guess we can speculate on all kinds of things. But what counts is what really happens.

Each individual case is, well, individual, and how to proceed would have been determined by his superior and spiritual director. Remember their goal is to get him eventually to a state of grace.

The removal from his positions now is apparently because he decided to come out publicly and make some kind of statement. That is like a Catholic School teacher coming out publicly, they would be removed from the position.
 
anthony022071 said:
Fr. Lombardi just said the statement was very serious and irresponsible since it aims to subject the synod to media pressure, not that sodomy is a grave sin and an abomination or that homosexuals should not be in the priesthood. He makes it seem like homosexual priests can be tolerated so long as they don’t cause public scandal. And in fact, that is what has been going on.
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I think people’s memories are short. Remember the Vanity Fair article from a couple of years ago? They wrote about the very large numbers of homosexuals in the Vatican, ones in power. (Isn’t that what people are calling the ‘Gay Lobby’?) From all accounts it was quite accurate. So it seams to me that ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ is in place. And the priest today told, which is why he was fired.

vanityfair.com/culture/2013/12/gay-clergy-catholic-church-vatican
 
Meaning…would all that he did as a priest still be considered “valid” or no?
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The Sacraments he administered would have been valid because they are valid ex opere operato. That is, independent of the personal sanctity of the priest.

But academically (only please) I wonder, if one willfully deceived when receiving the Sacrament of ordination, that it seems to me would invalidate the ordination Sacrament and by extension, every Sacrament by him afterwards.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I think people’s memories are short. Remember the Vanity Fair article from a couple of years ago? They wrote about the very large numbers of homosexuals in the Vatican, ones in power. (Isn’t that what people are calling the ‘Gay Lobby’?) From all accounts it was quite accurate. So it seams to me that ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ is in place. And the priest today told, which is why he was fired.
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Don’t ask don’t tell covers a lot of sins out there, including sexual sins. How many divorced and remarried people are teaching in Catholic Schools without the benefit of an annulment? How many are living with a partner outside of marriage? Should we call them all a “lobby”?
 
I think this CDF official was dismissed because of the timing of his coming-out, not because of his coming-out in itself.
He would probably be dismissed or given another function anyway, but not right away.
I know of at least one priest who was not dismissed even though he also came out and lived openly with his boyfriend.

As a side note, I read that Charamsa, unlike Kim Davis, accepts the consequences of his coming-out.
 
gilliam said:
Don’t ask don’t tell covers a lot of sins out there, including sexual sins. How many divorced and remarried people are teaching in Catholic Schools without the benefit of an annulment? How many are living with a partner outside of marriage? Should we call them all a “lobby”?
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I believe that the ‘gay lobby’ is referring to the political alignment in the Vatican itself.
 
St_Francis said:
Maybe the fact that he not only is homosexual but also “has a partner” has something to do with why this priest, who vowed to be celibate, was fired.
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That’s what I think, too. “Having a partner” indicates he has sexual relations, and a priest makes a promise to his bishop and his bishop’s successors to remain chaste.

My heart goes out to him despite. His life is no doubt painful. I will pray for him.
 
Methinks he (and his partner) just wanted to grab fifteen minutes of fame, which they did by coming out just prior to the Synod.

There is IMNAAHO far less here than meets the eye.

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I love the use of all caps for “sacked”. Like it’s somehow shocking or egregious.
 
DeniseNY said:
I love the use of all caps for “sacked”. Like it’s somehow shocking or egregious.
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I think, in our forum it might express the emotions behind Vatican officials: “You are f…ing SACKED, FIRED and DISMISSED, you…!!!” 😃
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I believe that the ‘gay lobby’ is referring to the political alignment in the Vatican itself.
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newsday.com/news/world/monsignor-kryzstof-charamsa-gay-priest-fired-by-vatican-1.10918621

A picture is worth a thousand words.
This was very strategically planned.
The idea that Catholics support sodomy is ridiculous. There is no such thing as a truly loving homosexual relationship because sodomy is a spiritually and physically dangerous practice that is a grievous abomination and sin against God.

I do believe though that there is a gay lobby as well as masonic one working within the Church to destroy it.
 
The headlines make it seem as if he was fired simply for being gay rather than being in a relationship.
 
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