Vatican responds to CDF official’s “coming out” [CNA]

[Catholic_farmer]

He is writing a book, apparently. That might explain the public announcements.

He has no remorse, nor does he recognize his sins. He brokw a vow, not just to the Church, but to God. That alone should make someone with a well formed conscience, pause.

No doubt, he feels that his love must be right and is blind to the sinfulness of his own actions. He needs prayers, just like any fallen priest.

 

[Beautiful]

Wake up people. Satan is using…

So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12

 

[CaptFun]

:coolinoff: – SACKED means “fired” in this case …

… doesn’t it?

De-frocked – doesn’t sound much better.

Howsa bout "removed"? :sad_yes:

 

[gilliam]

:coolinoff: – SACKED means “fired” in this case …

… doesn’t it?

De-frocked – doesn’t sound much better.

Howsa bout "removed"? :sad_yes:

He wasn’t defrocked. He is still a priest, he just lost his job at the Vatican so far.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Falling in love with another man is not the same as murdering a child and equating the two is not in line with Catholic teaching.

Please read Post # 53 to the end, if yours is in reply to it. No, sir. Falling in love with another man is not being equated to killing a life.

The subject in the OP is Father Chamrasa in the Vatican holding a post accordingly with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, using agenda driven timing in mind, admitted to being an active homosexual, announcing (with his boyfriend at his side) that Church teaching on homosexual actions should be changed.

In a very public way, this priest came out to embarrass the Vatican and pile on the pressure to have the Church change an immorality to something moral, spitting in the eye of the Church.

If such undermining and helping to destroy her authority as a moral teacher is not diabolical, I don’t know what is.

I mentioned Planned Parenthood because it was shocking that said publicly funded organization was not just performing abortions but also selling body parts of killed babies.

This 48 y.o. priest originally from Poland was ordained in 1997 when he was 25. The policy of better screening applicants to the priesthood as started by then Cardinal Ratzinger may not have been fully in place yet, but it is unconscionable and shocking that a priest in the position he held was living a life so contrary to the faith, with clear intention he will continue to do so. He is part of a cancer within the Church aiming to sanctify sinful behavior. Cardinal Ratzinger did mention that there are pressure groups within the Church with this objective.
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[InSearchofGrace]

He wasn’t defrocked. He is still a priest, he just lost his job at the Vatican so far.

“Just lost his job at the Vatican so far”?

It is doubtful there is any chance he would even be given a ministerial Church position. Defrocking is a likely consequence. It would be a surprise if he is not defrocked.
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[gilliam]

Please read Post # 53 to the end, if yours is in reply to it. No, sir. Falling in love with another man is not being equated to killing a life.

The subject in the OP is Father Chamrasa in the Vatican holding a post accordingly with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, using agenda driven timing in mind, admitted to being an active homosexual, announcing (with his boyfriend at his side) that Church teaching on homosexual actions should be changed.

He misused his position and was fired.

He also publicly declared he is in violation of his promise of celibacy. There will be a penalty for that as well.

So let’s focus on what really happened and not try to equate it with abortion (which some here were trying to do.) We need to control our speech.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

He misused his position and was fired.

He also publicly declared he is in violation of his promise of celibacy. There will be a penalty for that as well.

So let’s focus on what really happened and not try to equate it with abortion (which some here were trying to do.) We need to control our speech.

I don’t see that “it” was being equated with abortion, as I explained at length in my last post.
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[PTL]

He absolutely ought to have been sacked for stepping out of line so publicly, but shouldn’t his choice of lifestyle have been enough to sack him a long time prior to this?

You are right. He should be sacked long time ago.

 

[on_the_hill]

The policy of better screening applicants to the priesthood
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I doubt that will do much more to keep gay men from going through the seminary. There were plenty of gay men in the military when being gay was punished by a lot worse than simply being ‘fired.’

 

[MarcoPolo]

Why was the media and most of these people so happy about the Pope visit then?

Because they believe in a caricature of the pope.

 

[MarcoPolo]

We are all sinners and we shouldn’t forget this. I also don’t think he needs to necessarily run away from the Church and join some other. What he needs to do first though is figure out what he wants to do with his life. Right now the issue here is that he violated his promise to God of celibacy he made at his ordination.

He doesn’t sound like someone trying to discern, nor admit sins.

He said the Church lives in a “homophobic world.” He was also quoted saying, “It’s time for the Church to open its eyes about gay Catholics and to understand that the solution it proposes to them — total abstinence from a life of love — is inhuman.”

Those statements are nonsensical, not to mention lined with a sense of self authority, giving orders to the Church.

There is a difference in being a singer and admitting it versus denying it and glorifying it, condemning the Church in the meantime. I see no evidence of the former. Fr Lombardi may well have prevented a scandal by removing him.

 

[jaimeleglise]

Objectively to be in a same-sex sexual relationship is a sin. It matters not whether other religions consider it a sin or not because the Truth is absolute, not relative. This is a divine law, not a church rule. If everyone makes up their own rules, there is chaos.

 

[Rau]

…In a very public way, this priest came out to embarrass the Vatican and pile on the pressure to have the Church change an immorality to something moral, spitting in the eye of the Church.

If such undermining and helping to destroy her authority as a moral teacher is not diabolical, I don’t know what is.

How curious that the man is a theologian and yet has not provided an ounce of theological argument in support of his views. It is astounding that such a person could casually propose that the Church revise the relevant doctrine. Given his statements and behaviour, I find it hard to believe that he ever accepted the relevant Church teachings, let alone the teaching authority of the Magisterium.

 

[CuriousMike]

As others have pointed out, the homosexuality in and of itself is not a problem. If this Priest were to appear with a girlfriend, and declare he was an active heterosexual man, advocating for the Church to change “backwards dogma on married Priests,” we would have a similar dialogue going on.

What the media will probably forget here is that it doesn’t matter whether you’re Hetero or Homosexual, Bisexual or Asexual, Backside down and up to front, any colour of the rainbow or otherwise… This Priest broke his vows. Not just privately, but publicly applauding his decision to make himself a God and suggest the Church ought to follow his perception of reality (and that of much of the general population).
We all know it is a mortal sin to encourage others to engage in sinful activity, no?
We all know that this was timed with the Synod, as a subversive move to derail the proposed dialogue. Now I don’t think that is a sin.

Now, had this transpired in private, and he was “revealed” as a homosexual (or otherwise), I’m not sure whether he might be subject to review to ensure his pastoral practices were sound, or not.

In any case, publicly teaching and advocating against Church doctrine is heresy - and deserves both strict and immediate rebuttal, if not excommunication, depending on the severity.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

There is an important distinction among these 3 issues:

1. A priest who has homosexual inclinations;
2. A priest who is acting out on such inclinations, for instance, having a boyfriend;
3. A priest who publicly defies and opposes Christian faith and practice on sexuality;

I came to this thread wondering what I find many others also asking: Was he fired for #3 but tolerated for #2?

Other posters are correct that we cannot determine from this case alone, we don’t know what was said and done before his public announcement and we don’t know about other cases that rose only to #2, but the question hangs in the air given the big fat black eye that the Church suffered in public opinion from pedophile priests who were long tolerated by bishops.

(I can personally attest to having that thrown in my face on numerous occasions when I tried to defend the Church against secular and sectarian criticism.)

 

[Midwest88]

“boyfriend”

lol okay

You know what’s “backwards”? Being in a romantic/sexual relationship with a person of the same sex and acting like it’s A-OKAY. I won’t get into details since it should be self-explanatory.

 

[CatholicFireman]

(I can personally attest to having that thrown in my face on numerous occasions when I tried to defend the Church against secular and sectarian criticism.)

That’s what I call “the old drop back and punt” excuse for hating the Catholic Church.

The scandals are not something to be taken lightly, but not matter what the Church does or will do to make amends it will not be good enough because that’s the secular world’s “ace in the hole”.

 

[Modern_Revert]

Situations like this makes me doubt the point of being Catholic. If a Monsignor at the Vatican doesn’t understand the point of celibacy or remain faithful to his “homophobic” vows, what hope is there for the rest of us?

 

[CatholicFireman]

Situations like this makes me doubt the point of being Catholic. If a Monsignor at the Vatican doesn’t understand the point of celibacy or remain faithful to his “homophobic” vows, what hope is there for the rest of us?

Hang in there friend. Don’t let the you-know-what’s win. There was only Lot and his family in Sodom yet God sent his angels to save them. There are always more of us than them.