Vatican: Sex abuse not just a Catholic problem

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I would like to know why the Bishops shifted the priests to different Diocese? What was their reason behind it? I have heard from the Bishop in Boston, where many abuses were taking place, that he believed that the priests were trying to repent. But, he’s the only one I have heard that explanation from…Has anyone heard any interviews or were there articles about this anywhere, that shows Bishops explaining why they transferred priests around, after they knew the crimes were being committed against children? :confused:
 
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The depth of hatred towards the Church and the faith that I have seen on other boards is quite shocking. I went looking for reactions to this topic on other sites, and I discovered literally thousands of messages filled with the worst vile and hate towards the faith, the Pope and the Church.

I could not stay there anymore because for every 100 haters, there was perhaps one Catholic who supported the faith, Pope and Church.

The depth of the irrational emotion, and the depth of ignorance and of trying to do some real research was also quite shocking, it seems people want to hate the Church no matter what it does or says…by the thousands.

I think we need to realize the level of hatred we are facing in this world, and we need to pray this does not increase. 😦
Matthew 5:11-12
 
Please stay on topic, which is sex abuse not being just a Catholic problem. There are a number of other threads where abuse within the Church is being discussed.
 
Every Bishops, Cardinals …what ever administrative title you church gives them is a successor of the apostle peter not just the pope.
That might be what the EO teach for all I know, but it is not Catholic doctrine. Catholic bishops are the successors of the apostles in general. Only the pope is the successor of the Prince of the apostles.
…they them selfs being such should of known better…than to have shiffted the bad clergy around for years …they knew it and they allowed it…including the one that rome is protecting.
As you have no evidence for this outrageous accusation, I suggest you stop making it. Telling vicious lies about your neighbour is a grave sin against the Eighth Commandment.
…i believe he has a better position in the vatican.
“believe” whatever fantasies you wish, but we’d appreciate if you confine your posts here to the facts.
…finally this pope is trying to correct this situation.,thou it costing the church billions here in the u.s. God only knows how much it costing the church in europe to settle the abuse cases …i pray to God we orthodox never ever unite with you…we dont want your disease you sickness,your poison…stashko:p
If you honestly belive there is no sexual abuse in the EO churches, you are a very sad little man. Your attitude of denial is what allows pedophiles to more freely ply their evil deeds.

And you STILL haven’t attempted to answer my questions. e.g what is the process by which you claim a delinquent EO patriarch can be removed? and by whose authority? and who decides when a patriarch is bad enough to be removed? I suspect you’re talking nonsense about this point as I know you are about several others.
 
I would like to know why the Bishops shifted the priests to different Diocese? What was their reason behind it? I have heard from the Bishop in Boston, where many abuses were taking place, that he believed that the priests were trying to repent. But, he’s the only one I have heard that explanation from…Has anyone heard any interviews or were there articles about this anywhere, that shows Bishops explaining why they transferred priests around, after they knew the crimes were being committed against children? :confused:
As mentioned, it was not only bishops who did this. Government departments and leaders of organisations like the Boy Scouts did the same thing. Sexual abusers are often very convincing actors and can persuade those in authority that the offence which was discovered was just a one-off which they swear can never happen again. Also some of them sincerely believe that they are cured until the next time it happens. It wasn’t until about 1990 that it was generally realised that the tendency to sexually abuse minors is usually ineradicable.
Also to describe the crimes as being “committed against children” is somewhat misleading where the Church is concerned. 85% of the clerical offenses were committed against post-pubertal male youths and young men by “hebephile” homosexuals, not against children under the age of puberty.
 
As mentioned, it was not only bishops who did this. Government departments and leaders of organisations like the Boy Scouts did the same thing. Sexual abusers are often very convincing actors and can persuade those in authority that the offence which was discovered was just a one-off which they swear can never happen again. Also some of them sincerely believe that they are cured until the next time it happens. It wasn’t until about 1990 that it was generally realised that the tendency to sexually abuse minors is usually ineradicable.
Also to describe the crimes as being “committed against children” is somewhat misleading where the Church is concerned. 85% of the clerical offenses were committed against post-pubertal male youths and young men by “hebephile” homosexuals, not against children under the age of puberty.
True–but my question is directly related to the Bishops…why did they transfer these priests, and not defrock them, as it was happening? I’d be interested to know their reasoning…behind every action, is a motivating factor.🤷
 
True–but my question is directly related to the Bishops…why did they transfer these priests, and not defrock them, as it was happening? I’d be interested to know their reasoning…behind every action, is a motivating factor.🤷
In many cases the Bishops were given approval by doctors to allow the Priests back into minsitry.
 
In many cases the Bishops were given approval by doctors to allow the Priests back into minsitry.
oh, I see. Ok…
Well, one would certainly hope that it wasn’t neglect or unconcern of children…I’d like to believe that. But, the victims deserve some type of justice…it’s interesting how justice often takes the form of money.:o
 
oh, I see. Ok…
Well, one would certainly hope that it wasn’t neglect or unconcern of children…I’d like to believe that. But, the victims deserve some type of justice…it’s interesting how justice often takes the form of money.:o
The Bishops in some cases were terribly negligent, yet in other cases they were told by doctors that the offending Priests were okay and could be safely returned to ministry. They were often in a catch-22 because if they started dumping Priests the media would have had a field day for not trusting competent medical authorities. In restrospect they should have dumped the Priests.
 
The Bishops in some cases were terribly negligent, yet in other cases they were told by doctors that the offending Priests were okay and could be safely returned to ministry. They were often in a catch-22 because if they started dumping Priests the media would have had a field day for not trusting competent medical authorities. In restrospect they should have dumped the Priests.
Yeah, hindsight is always 20/20. I don’t know if you saw the movie…‘Our Fathers?’ It was either HBO or Showtime who put it on…excellently acted, yet terribly heart wrenching retelling of the Boston stories of priest abuse. I believe Geghan (sp?) was at the heart of that docu-drama. I remember seeing the Bishop, played by a famous actor who escapes my memory, that crying front of Pope JP2, asking for help–in one of the scenes. He sounded like he truly thought these men could repent. The problem is, not with the spirituality of the issue or our need to forgive those–or even breaking God’s commandments…For me, I didn’t like seeing the Catholic Church making excuses “for their own.” In society, pedophiles, when found out of their crimes, are not permitted to walk the streets. We don’t transfer them to another city, yes, I’m being inane with this example–but you know what I’m saying? But, we are a human Church. Terribly sad, (an understatement) that this had to happen, but I believe that the RCC will use more stringent methods before ordaining priests going forward…we have to protect our youth. If as a Church we are defending life in the womb…we must do the same out of it.
 
The Bishops in some cases were terribly negligent, yet in other cases they were told by doctors that the offending Priests were okay and could be safely returned to ministry. They were often in a catch-22 because if they started dumping Priests the media would have had a field day for not trusting competent medical authorities. In restrospect they should have dumped the Priests.
I have the opinion that the bigger the scandal the bigger the misinformation there is. People make decisions based upon the knowledge they have. If they don’t have total knowledge then they can’t make the right decisions. The question I would like to know is at what point did the Bishops or when it became apparent that the status quo (of moving the offending priests around) wasn’t working and a change was needed.
 
I have the opinion that the bigger the scandal the bigger the misinformation there is. People make decisions based upon the knowledge they have. If they don’t have total knowledge then they can’t make the right decisions. The question I would like to know is at what point did the Bishops or when it became apparent that the status quo (of moving the offending priests around) wasn’t working and a change was needed.
yes–u hit the nail on the head, matthew…that is more of the question I had in mind.
 
actually we have a group of women that do monitor the orthodox churches there also is a web page …our Saintly orthodox Father Ambrose knows the web page ask him on eastern christian forum he will gladly give it to you…if a priest or deacon or monks or even a bishop are found to be guilty of it they are removed instantly not shifted around for years …we deal with our problems should they arise …stashko:p
You also don’t have the major media looking for “problems” that have been swept under the rug. Do you think America would give two chunks of feta cheese if a MAJOR SCANDAL WAS FOUND IN THE ORTHODOX CHURCH?? That headline doesn’t sell airtime or newspapers.

However, you are the self righteous one that acted all high and mighty like Alexander the Great and proclaimed us to have a sickness as if you had an immunity. If we ever become one Church again, do me a favor are relieve us of your self righteous attitude because you would be a bruise on the mystical body of Christ.
 
The RCC didn’t do this, or support it…men* within *the Church did this. Let’s not make the mistake of drawing lines in the sand with our Christian brothers and sisters–over this issue. We must not look at the scandals as having anything to do with the Catholic Church, from a spiritual standpoint. And say…‘well, my church would have handled this differently.’ The fact remains…it’s not the faith that is at fault…it’s not the RCC as an institution that is at fault…it’s the individual men within the RCC who were at fault, and that we must pray for.
 
thank you…how about hearing more Charity toward the abused the inoccent child victims that had there fledgling faith in God and church destroyed by these perverts…
You mean the Church hasn’t say or done anything charitable toward these victims !!??

If not, how much more is needed ??
at the knowledge of these so called apostolic successors …more like successors of satan and not of Christ…these bishops , cardinals,are hightly educated in theology they know what the lord demands of them they can claim no excuses what so ever…stashko:rolleyes:
You mean these successors are not exempt from sin ?
 
actually we have a group of women that do monitor the orthodox churches there also is a web page …our Saintly orthodox Father Ambrose knows the web page ask him on eastern christian forum he will gladly give it to you…if a priest or deacon or monks or even a bishop are found to be guilty of it they are removed instantly not shifted around for years …we deal with our problems should they arise …stashko:p
Much praises !

Hope your perfect system will never fails you. Would hated if it does !
 
Brorther sympathy in this case doesnt cure …may be the only miraculous cure for the sickness in you church is the unification with the holy orthodox churchs…stashko:p
Unification. We’re all for that !

I take it the Orthodox is ready to accept the supremacy of the Pope ??
 
Of course sex abuse is not just a Catholic problem. But, that is not an excuse. It should not be a problem in the Church at all, regardless how widespread it may be. One that does appear somewhat certain is that some dioceses are sure paying large sums for misdeeds of priests. In the news, $600 million - that’s $600,000,000 - is going to be paid out to over 500 victims in Los Angeles…
 
The RCC didn’t do this, or support it…men* within *the Church did this. Let’s not make the mistake of drawing lines in the sand with our Christian brothers and sisters–over this issue. We must not look at the scandals as having anything to do with the Catholic Church, from a spiritual standpoint. And say…‘well, my church would have handled this differently.’ The fact remains…it’s not the faith that is at fault…it’s not the RCC as an institution that is at fault…it’s the individual men within the RCC who were at fault, and that we must pray for.
I think you make good sense here…it is, indeed, individual, sinful men within the Church who are at fault. However, there is such widespread hatred for the Church that it is the Church herself who is portrayed as corrupt by those anti-Catholics from across the spectrum, from certain fundamentalists to atheists.

I believe, however, that a good deal of the recent vitriol heaped upon the Church with regard to the clergy sexual abuse scandal has been brought on by some within the Church who should know better. We have had rather up close and personal dealings with the abuse situation in our diocese due to my husband’s position as a local journalist. The bishop here has responded by “circling the wagons” when a credible abuse allegation has arisen, keeping the scariest, most tenacious lawyers on retainer, stonewalling as long as possible, and obfuscating when he feels it necessary. He has ALWAYS chosen to support the status quo at the expense of victims - in most instances here, teenage boys, along with several vulnerable adults. My husband did a lengthy interview with him in which he told boldfaced lies (as proven in later depositions) about abusive clergy.

We have seen the destroyed lives left in the wake of broken promises and have been dismayed by the utter secrecy of the local proceedings. In every instance where there has been a settlement, victims have been made to promise secrecy in exchange for whatever deal was made. Truth and transparency, not to mention contrition, has been in short supply.

Here, they still don’t “get it”. They don’t get that the more they stonewall, the worse they look. I will never, for the life of me, understand why more good priests don’t rail against those few who have sullied the names of the many, thereby playing right into the hands of those who gleefully use this abuse scandal as ammunition against the Church they hate. (Those few here who have spoken up have been sent to the “boondocks.”)

I am saddened by so many Catholics who have actually jeered victims who have come forward; I can only imagine that they find the truth about some of their “favorite” priests so horrible that they simply cannot bring themselves to believe it, and therefore choose to blame the victim instead. I have seen my husband, a good Catholic husband and father, and one of the few practicing Catholic journalists around, ostracized and actually dis-invited from local Catholic events that he has supported, emceed, hosted, etc., for years because he has dared to cover this issue.

We will soon be seeing charges brought against yet another popular priest here; I have no doubt the same wall of secrecy and obstinacy will be erected by those in power. This long, sad chapter in our Church’s history is not over, as some simply refuse either to learn, or acknowledge their complicity.

I have my own ideas - quite disconcerting - about why there seems to be such a number of priests who are either abusive, homosexual or ephebophiles (preferring adolescents) but that is for another day and post…

Thanks for reading and letting me vent…clearly, this has been, and still is, a huge and upsetting issue in our family.
 
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