Vatican shocked over Paris terror attacks, calls for global response [CNA]

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Thomas_White said:
The premise of this blog is faulty. It appears that most if not all of the Paris terrorists were European nationals, including French and Belgum, and not Middle Eastern immigrants.
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Boy, you guys like to argue don’t you. Fine. Look, they found the papers on one of them that showed he came from Syria through Greece in October. Now that blog was not talking about exactly this incident, but, the whole general problem that the EU and to a lessor extent the USA is having regarding this kind of no border thing that is turning into a suicide wish for Western Civilization. It has been going on a long time if you hadn’t noticed.
 
ELROD said:
Boy, you guys like to argue don’t you. Fine. Look, they found the papers on one of them that showed he came from Syria through Greece in October. Now that blog was not talking about exactly this incident, but, the whole general problem that the EU and to a lessor extent the USA is having regarding this kind of no border thing that is turning into a suicide wish for Western Civilization. It has been going on a long time if you hadn’t noticed.
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No they didn’t t. They cannot prove yet the correspondence between papers and dead attacker.
Second,anyone would expect infiltration.
Third,these are terrorists. They operate as terrorists.

They were all European so far.
Where can you hide from terrorism? How much does a terrorist need to cause great damage?
That is what they sow,terror.
 
IS and Islamism knows no borders, recognizes no nationality.
It is a global movement that is centered in the ME, because the most violent tendecies of the Islamist theology has developed in the ME.

Europe has shown itself to have more than enough radicalized Muslims, and the past year has demonstrated that radical Islamists are streaming into Europe with the refugees.

If there is not already a critical mass of Muslims in Europe to ensure that 10 percent of their ranks will become radicalized enough through Islamist literature filtered to them through Islamic education centers, the refugee crisis guarantees that there will be soon enough to fill the ranks of a literal army.
 
The issue is perplexing. There have been a number of incidents where Islam has been criticized for a supposed tendency toward violence where the reaction to the criticism has been violent.

What does it mean when the Vatican says the Paris terrorism "is condemned in the most radical way" and requires a “decisive response”? What is a decisive response in the most radical way?
 
Why in the world would they be shocked? Wherever Islam goes this is what happens. Now, maybe they will stop promoting the flood of Islamic peoples into Europe, but I doubt it.
 
Constantine70 said:
Why in the world would they be shocked? Wherever Islam goes this is what happens. Now, maybe they will stop promoting the flood of Islamic peoples into Europe, but I doubt it.
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I doubt it too. Europe seems utterly confused and unable to control what is a crisis. It does not appear “Europe” knows what to do. Perhaps the Vatican remarks provide a clue–a radical, decisive response.
 
ELROD said:
americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/the_names_of_the_people_responsible_for_the_massacres_in_france.html
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That is a hard hitting article.

It is hard to find points of disagreement though. The risks of freely allowing scores of radicalized jihadists into the already radicalized communities of Europe were well enough known long before the decision was made. The outcome of Paris was more predicted and predictable than shocking.
Radical mercy as a value means that there will be a certain amount of people dying on account of showing such radical mercy to the merciless. Europeans have made the calculated decision that that those deaths are an acceptable consequence to their immigration plans. Therefore, whatever the global response is going to be, it is not going to include containment of the radicals to the war zone that is the ME.

It is also not going to include regime change. That bridge has already been burnt too.
 
But it’s hard to see a decisive response in the most radical way as mercy.
 
Seems like most of the terrorists were already in europe as citizens, (CNN headline stories…) so its not the refugees being the sole source of trouble. If the borders were closed and no one let out of the war zone, then people would be screaming about that. ISIS wants the west to enforce draconian measures, then they get more recruits.

You can’t eliminate a cancer by just cutting away the outer edges - it will take going in and wiping out the core. They have been given opportunity after opportunity to ‘repent’ as it were and refused. They just get worse.

There is no good solution, now the world can only pray for forgiveness for what we apparently must do.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Seems like most of the terrorists were already in europe as citizens, (CNN headline stories…) so its not the refugees being the sole source of trouble. If the borders were closed and no one let out of the war zone, then people would be screaming about that. ISIS wants the west to enforce draconian measures, then they get more recruits.

You can’t eliminate a cancer by just cutting away the outer edges - it will take going in and wiping out the core. They have been given opportunity after opportunity to ‘repent’ as it were and refused. They just get worse.

There is no good solution, now the world can only pray for forgiveness for what we apparently must do.
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graciew said:
No they didn’t t. They cannot prove yet the correspondence between papers and dead attacker.
Second,anyone would expect infiltration.
Third,these are terrorists. They operate as terrorists.

They were all European so far.
Where can you hide from terrorism? How much does a terrorist need to cause great damage?
That is what they sow,terror.
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If these ISIS Islamists were all European nationals, and not from Syria or the ME at all, then what kind of global response is the Vatican calling for exactly…? To clean up Brussels and other Islamist breeding grounds? Might be a smart idea…

…Because going into syria, or stopping migrants has little effect on homegrown problems.

mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0T504J20151116
 
…or we could just deal with it for the remainder of time itself. 🤷
 
Landon_Caeli said:
If these ISIS Islamists were all European nationals, and not from Syria or the ME at all, then what kind of global response is the Vatican calling for exactly…? To clean up Brussels and other Islamist breeding grounds? Might be a smart idea…

…Because going into syria, or stopping migrants has little effect on homegrown problems.

mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0T504J20151116
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You hit the nail on the head…you can’t point and say “there!”

Carpet bombing probably kills more non combatants than ISIS members. But wringing your hands and doing nothing is equally bad.

They are european nationals now, but they came from Syria and ME a long time ago!
 
Crusaderbear said:
You hit the nail on the head…you can’t point and say “there!”

Carpet bombing probably kills more non combatants than ISIS members. But wringing your hands and doing nothing is equally bad.

They are european nationals now, but they came from Syria and ME a long time ago!
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If known ‘Islamic breeding grounds’ are singled out though, and treated differently than other religious or ethnic areas, then those who believe in equality in absolutes will protest… Even if it makes logical sense.

…The Islamic community as a whole, could become infuriated, further escalating the problem… Or could they be willing to help and be more humanist in their ways? Is there room for that in Islam I wonder. 🤷
 
The problem is Islamic fundamentalism. It seems the first question ought to be why are so many drawn to a form of religion that becomes an ideology? It will not do to deny what obviously presents a danger to the rest of society and the world. To ever be resolved, a problem must first be recognized for what it is.
 
Thomas_White said:
The problem is Islamic fundamentalism. It seems the first question ought to be why are so many drawn to a form of religion that becomes an ideology? It will not do to deny what obviously presents a danger to the rest of society and the world. To ever be resolved, a problem must first be recognized for what it is.
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I think people are drawn to it because it’s there -readily available. Those who preach hate and violence, through Islam, should be identified and dealt with, because we’ve seen what results… Nowhere else is this problem happening in the West.

…So we should respond to Western problems where the current problems exist and go from there IMO.
 
Landon_Caeli said:
I think people are drawn to it because it’s there -readily available. Those who preach hate and violence, through Islam, should be identified and dealt with, because we’ve seen what results… Nowhere else is this problem happening in the West.

…So we should respond to Western problems where the current problems exist and go from there IMO.
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I think the first step is for politicians to start calling it what it is.
 
Thomas_White said:
I think the first step is for politicians to start calling it what it is.
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Those who refuse to call it Islamic, and refuse to acknowledge it, and refuse to respond to it, are actually assisting in it’s continuation.
 
…fear of ‘speaking-up’ is a common fear. It’s a survival technique that has worked for millions of years.
 
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