One thing the Father would be wise to keep in mind, is that by his own admission people left when they went to ad orientem, and a number of people came in because of ad orientem. While he may feel subjectively that it’s more reverent and his church has seen gains in choir, finances, etc… it also seems he’s had a demographic shift. People who have desired mass in that style (and it’s rare) may be seeking his parish out from other parishes.
not at all. not even close.So those that support versus populum are the fat, I take it?
Women always wore a head scarf or other covering. Once, a fellow classmate asked if she could borrow my handkerchief to cover her head, using a hair pin to keep it in place. All the women wore a head covering, but not necessarily a veil of any kind.I find the expression about women deciding ‘to veil’ very alien to our tradition where did this expression come from. It’s certainly something I have not come across before. Sure women used to often wear a hat a scarf or occasionally a mantilla but a ‘veil’ very strange expression indeed
There used to be a box outside our school chapel for those of us who might have forgotten our coverings,which was a samall round sort of lace covering. That was first,second grade elementary for me. Just a vague idea of the railings and coverings. My mom,aunts and grandmas wore some longer ones. Veils,I cannot recall any. That was mid sixties…Women always wore a head scarf or other covering. Once, a fellow classmate asked if she could borrow my handkerchief to cover her head, using a hair pin to keep it in place. All the women wore a head covering, but not necessarily a veil of any kind.
Ed
really?The verb ‘to veil’ has NEVER been used in Roman Catholicism except in relation (occasionally) to nuns. This terminology is counter cultural and smacks of affectation. Why has the specific phrase ‘to veil’ appeared. Where did it come from and anyone who tells me it is/was in common catholic parlance is wrong.
Yes that’s right. But it was never referred to as ‘veiling’ this terminology strikes me as really strange.There used to be a box outside our school chapel for those of us who might have forgotten our coverings,which was a samall round sort of lace covering. That was first,second grade elementary for me. Just a vague idea of the railings and coverings. My mom,aunts and grandmas wore some longer ones. Veils,I cannot recall any. That was mid sixties…
Did you first hear it?really?
I’m confused on what you are arguing…the use of the word to veil or that catholic women have never worn veils?Yes that’s right. But it was never referred to as ‘veiling’ this terminology strikes me as really strange.
The expression. It’s contrived not Catholic at all. An unhelpful neologismI’m confused on what you are arguing…the use of the word to veil or that catholic women have never worn veils?
And veils doesn’t necessarily mean it covers the face
I do not know…it is just childhood memories and they are sweet. I remember the chapel…Yes that’s right. But it was never referred to as ‘veiling’ this terminology strikes me as really strange.
OK.The expression. It’s contrived not Catholic at all. An unhelpful neologism
Oh yes. Your memories like mine are lovely and quite precious. But ‘veiling’ instead of ‘putting my hat on’ or ‘putting a scarf on’ or something like that is such a strange new term. It appears contrived. We aren’t fundamentalists we are just Catholics and some women wear a hat or mantilla in church they don’t ‘veil’I do not know…it is just childhood memories and they are sweet. I remember the chapel…
Also that was a school where we had more sort of Irish,British nuns. Spanish nuns where a bit more strict.
Our uniformes had to reach the floor when we knelt down whereas some other friends in other schools had to be below the knees.
But it was ok for us,you know…we were small and all we knee was Jesús and Mary and prayer and coverings sort of disappeared,at least in my memory.
On the contrary the weirdness is inventing new terms for simple acts which have been practiced for centuries without fanfare, comment or the need to make them into something they aren’t by inventing ostentatious phrasesOK.
Kinda weird to get hung up on that out of everything that is being discussed
i am so confused.On the contrary the weirdness is inventing new terms for simple acts which have been practiced for centuries without fanfare, comment or the need to make them into something they aren’t by inventing ostentatious phrases
When did this term come into common use?i am so confused.
I post an article with fruits that a diocese is seeing by going to ad orientem and you get hung up on the priest say women have begun to veil. I assume you would be OK if he instead said women have begun to wear veils?
to each their own I guess
I completely agree that the semantics are not what is important. But I am equally puzzled as to the benefits of women wearing veils.i am so confused.
I post an article with fruits that a diocese is seeing by going to ad orientem and you get hung up on the priest say women have begun to veil. I assume you would be OK if he instead said women have begun to wear veils?
to each their own I guess
i have no idea. i don’t see the fuss though. i imagine most people understand what the priest meant by saying women have begun to veil.When did this term come into common use?
just a sign of more reverence. like if men started to wear suites again to mass instead of jeans and tshirtsI completely agree that the semantics are not what is important. But I am equally puzzled as to the benefits of women wearing veils.