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Kaninchen
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Err, no.
No more than Halakah is or the rules of any arbitration body agreed to by parties in a dispute.
Just saying “Muslims are very, very, very naughty!” is pretty pointless, by the way.
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No more than Halakah is or the rules of any arbitration body agreed to by parties in a dispute.
Just saying “Muslims are very, very, very naughty!” is pretty pointless, by the way.
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ChristIsLord
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WOW some people gotta relax a touch, seriously if God is really in control why get yourself so worried? America and Europe are almost completely agnostic or atheistic societies and that isn’t changing anytime soon, I don’t see them converting en masse to Islam anytime soon, or living under sharia law for that matter.
As more Muslims integrate into the West will we as a society have to make concessions such as school days off for Muslims Holidays? Possibly, Halal food choices on our menus? Possbily, but big deal we do that for Jews, and Christians here anyway.
People can sit around fearing the Muslims boogey man, but I refuse to sit back and make myself worry about it. To me I worry about something horrible happening to my children too much to worry about WWIII or Sharia law and making me an Arab slave…
As for family values, I judge by what I’ve witnessed with my own eyes rather than some obscure fatwa or hadith by an undocumented Iman.
As more Muslims integrate into the West will we as a society have to make concessions such as school days off for Muslims Holidays? Possibly, Halal food choices on our menus? Possbily, but big deal we do that for Jews, and Christians here anyway.
People can sit around fearing the Muslims boogey man, but I refuse to sit back and make myself worry about it. To me I worry about something horrible happening to my children too much to worry about WWIII or Sharia law and making me an Arab slave…
As for family values, I judge by what I’ve witnessed with my own eyes rather than some obscure fatwa or hadith by an undocumented Iman.
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R_not
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Yeah, just sit back like the rest of the Christians do in other lands and all of a sudden they are being terrorized, raped, children kidnapped and forced to convert, enslaved, and if/when they fight back the muslims whine louder that they are the victims because a non-muslim had the audacity to kill one of their ‘superior’ beings (gag, choke) and other countries either ignore the real victims or help the muslims slaughter more Christians (as we did in Bosnia and Kosovo).
Or just let them continue to infiltrate our schools as they are doing NOW - with the MSA (muslim student association) in our Universities, and them changing our children’s school books to include islam’s 5 tenets, (they don’t include the 10 Commandments), and fairy tales about islam and mohammed - because we don’t want to ‘offend’ the muslims.
Or just let them continue to get segregation in our schools, or the ‘pray/dress like a muslim’ while everyone just sits back and don’t demand the same of the muslim children to either ‘be a dhimmi for a day’, or some equal time of ‘praying like another’s religion’ day for them too!
Just sit back as we did knowing the left is ruling our Universities, media, etc - and we get a knothead like Obama elected - the most far left idiot in the Senate and next time we will get a saudi funded, oh! OBAMA IS A SAUDI FUNDED freak! OH! I almost forgot! But, it will be worse. Maybe you should look at the history of Lebanon and see what happens when Christians sit back and just do nothing hoping for someone/something else to help them. (‘Because They Hate’ is a good book on an insight into their plight)
a couple of books,
‘A Never Ending War’,
‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and
‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’
The Third Jihad - 30 minute version
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ChristIsLord
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So what do your propose? Should I walk outside and start pummeling people I suspect to be Muslims? Our country has a seperation of Church and State, Muslims are allowed to live here freely and freely practice their religion. I don’t see the point in sitting around and hand wringing about a possible Muslims take over that I really don’t think is going to happen anytime soon.
Seriously what do you propose the West does? Do we round up Muslims into camps? Do we ship them all back to Saudi Arabia? Do we tell them to try and be “less Muslim” in public? What’s your solution to the “Muslim problem” I believe is largely more of a societal and class problem, the age old poor and hopeless destitute getting a little power back, it happens over and over throughout history. The Barbarians sacked Rome, The Protestants through off the shackles of corrupt Bishops of their day who were not religious men but essentially absentee landlords, the Irish kicked out the Brits, the French took Marie Antoinette’s head, the Americans didn’t want to pay taxes so kicked out the Brits than tripled everyones taxes, now poor Muslims are lashing out at the West, what happens from here I don’t know, but I’m not going to live my life in fear of anything.
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R_not
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Well, that is why we as a group have to stop them from changing history, get them out of our school’s curriculum, don’t allow the ‘pray like a muslim’ stuff, etc. The knee jerk reaction to violence is rather sad considering we are not even near that stage yet.
I joined an activist group - Act for America - but I don’t expect anyone else to do that. I would expect parents to stop segregation in their children’s schools though, and to stop the other nonsense.
And as for spreading islam - make sure it is the truth instead of their version which is not. The muslims on these threads are practicing da’wa which includes deception. They quote the abrogated surahs, give you a facade of virtue, and make everything sound all rosey posey. It is not.
READ! Read the koran, hadiths, and anything else you can grab your hands on. I gave you some books to read, and there are some websites to keep up on the news - jihadwatch.org being the main one, and frontpagemag.com and faithfreedom.org some good sites also.
You see what sitting back and doing nothing does - the violence in Africa, Lebanon, India, etc happens. And with terror, kidnapping, etc they get their ways - and they use our media as propaganda tools too as they did in the Lebanon/Israeli war. They started the violence and then they whined that they were the victims. They would lob bombs from houses where children lived, they fled, and when the Israelis struck back in self defense - they would gather up the body(s) of the dead and say the Israelis did that on purpose. Wake up! They do that EVERYWHERE and ALL the time after the jihadists hit others.
And their ‘muslim charities’ are nothing but jihadists banks where they draw their funds for their weapons from, or they pay the families of the suicide bombers from. Why do you think our government shut down so many of them and now the Holy Land Foundation has been found guilty of over 100 crimes just last month. That is only one of the charities too.
READ, make sure they do not spread their deceptive views on islam - if it perturbs them that you are doing what they don’t want you to do and call you names then just learn how to take it. So what if they call us names! They want us either dead, converted or subjugated. That is what is in their koran.
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LDNCatholic
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The Protestants weren’t all poor or particularly hopeless. A fair few were pretty wealthy, as well as a number of aristocrats (and at least one king). Please don’t associate Luther’s apostacy with a struggle such as the Irish war of independance.
Also the ‘‘Barbarians’’ who sacked Rome weren’t exactly starving peace lovers with no other option.
As to what you said about the Muslims, I agree, it isn’t the problem certain people are making it out to be.
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ChristIsLord
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Don’t you think it’s possible for Muslims to move to the West and assimilate? I mean Jews have some pretty crazy laws in the Old Testament that they’ve since stopped practicing even the Orthodox such as stoning adulterers, stoning disobedient children, murdering en masse entire civilizations because they worship a different God and are intermarrying with the Jews.
I think Muslims moving into Western countries is what will drive Islam from the 7th century into the 21st century, not that they have to compromise their faith, but realize that some of the Hadith was written for a 7th century barbaric society and wouldn’t be relevant today, just like many Old Testmament laws.
What is going on in Lebanon, India, Israel etc… has a great deal to do with class warfare, land rights, and is an age old battle. The situations are not comparable to Islam and the West IMO.
I think Muslims moving into Western countries is what will drive Islam from the 7th century into the 21st century, not that they have to compromise their faith, but realize that some of the Hadith was written for a 7th century barbaric society and wouldn’t be relevant today, just like many Old Testmament laws.
What is going on in Lebanon, India, Israel etc… has a great deal to do with class warfare, land rights, and is an age old battle. The situations are not comparable to Islam and the West IMO.
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R_not
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The ones who helped the muslims take over Lebanon and bring chaos and death to that country were the Christian apologists/appeasers while not even knowing islam. And the atrocities heaped upon the Christians there, as they do everywhere to non-muslims, was atrocious.
The book I mentioned, ‘Because They Hate’, goes into some of the torture and terror they brought upon people. Snipers, lobbing bombs at houses, tearing children apart that were tied to parents, killing children with the hands of parents that were forced to slit their throats, etc. It is the same story in the Balkans too and as we are now witnessing in India. The Philippines, at the beginning of this year had over 100,000 attacks by muslims on non-muslims while the reverse was not true of crimes against muslims.
And as usual, since the muslims are unable to live with others they have been demanding land from the Philippine government. We see that in India, Israel, Africa, and places where when the muslim population grows and has caused considerable violence and chaos - they start their demands of giving them land.
They do not migrate with the intention of assimilation - they intend to become the dominate ones and ones like Geert Wilders has been trying to warn Europe. I have already listed books and a free video for you. Here is the muslim brotherhood’s stated goals and their use of organizations such as the MSA in our schools - they did not publish the doc they found but here is a writeup:
Government Exhibit 300-0085
here is a doc they found in Europe of the muslim brotherhood’s goals - it is basically the same sort of thing in our country. And they are organized and have stated goals that we are not listening to.
Here is information on the Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘The Project’ - an article about how/when this information was found:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={67736123-6864-4205-B51E-BCBDEF45FCDE}
Here is part two of the article which has “The Project”'s document in full:
frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=61829F93-7A81-4654-A2E8-F0A5E6DD3DC4
Here is a video about the Muslim Brotherhood: youtube.com/watch?v=tx0lqVZOnHw&feature=related
And here is an article to show the tie between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Student Association:
studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/2598/the-muslim-students-association-and-the-jihad-network
The book I mentioned, ‘Because They Hate’, goes into some of the torture and terror they brought upon people. Snipers, lobbing bombs at houses, tearing children apart that were tied to parents, killing children with the hands of parents that were forced to slit their throats, etc. It is the same story in the Balkans too and as we are now witnessing in India. The Philippines, at the beginning of this year had over 100,000 attacks by muslims on non-muslims while the reverse was not true of crimes against muslims.
And as usual, since the muslims are unable to live with others they have been demanding land from the Philippine government. We see that in India, Israel, Africa, and places where when the muslim population grows and has caused considerable violence and chaos - they start their demands of giving them land.
They do not migrate with the intention of assimilation - they intend to become the dominate ones and ones like Geert Wilders has been trying to warn Europe. I have already listed books and a free video for you. Here is the muslim brotherhood’s stated goals and their use of organizations such as the MSA in our schools - they did not publish the doc they found but here is a writeup:
Government Exhibit 300-0085
here is a doc they found in Europe of the muslim brotherhood’s goals - it is basically the same sort of thing in our country. And they are organized and have stated goals that we are not listening to.
Here is information on the Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘The Project’ - an article about how/when this information was found:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={67736123-6864-4205-B51E-BCBDEF45FCDE}
Here is part two of the article which has “The Project”'s document in full:
frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=61829F93-7A81-4654-A2E8-F0A5E6DD3DC4
Here is a video about the Muslim Brotherhood: youtube.com/watch?v=tx0lqVZOnHw&feature=related
And here is an article to show the tie between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Student Association:
studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/2598/the-muslim-students-association-and-the-jihad-network
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ChristIsLord
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Alarics Goth’s were most certainly starving and they were Christians at the time. The Hunnic invasion pushed all of the Germanic barbarians west flooding the Roman Empire with starving desperate barbarians. Rome ignored the poor, ignored their plight until they took action themselves. Rome was by no means innocent in their own fall. Alaric’s sacking of Rome is known as the most diginified sacking of an ancient city, now the Celtic sacking of Rome many centuries prior that’s another story.
As for the Protestants, they were more throwing off a corrupt tyranical system than class warfare but I believe my point still stands. I don’t agree with Luther he should’ve reformed the Catholic Church instead of leaving, but I’m not fool tobelieve that serious issues of corruption wasn’t the driving force behind the Protestant Reformation. The Protestant Refrmation shouldn’t be blamed on Luther, it should be squarely put on the corrupt Bishop’s of Luther’s day which were basically all of them,a Bishop was a wealthy aristocrat and not really a religious man.
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R_not
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Their stated goals is not to make islam equal but to become the dominate ones. Read my prior post.
Take some time out to read the stuff I gave to you.
Yousef Khattab, supporter
-‘islam will dominate, this is what it will be.’
-‘We want to see sharia here and it will be. The flag of , “there is no god other than allah, muhammed is the messenger of god”, will be (god willing) on the White House, if thats where we choose it to be. It just takes time, the American people are waking up now.’
-‘There is no compulsion in islam, that means, we cannot force it on you, but we will force islamic (sharia), god willing.’
Abu Mujahid, spokesperson islamic Thinkers Society (ITS)
‘allah does say that the whole world will eventually be under his rule. The rule will come down to where everyone obeys the laws of god (sharia), as simple as that.’
One group that should be very concerned besides the women which fair poorly in islam, are the gays.
Abu Mujahid, spokesperson ITS (in USA)
‘Sometimes we are blunt when the … ruling system is established we give them a choice we will consult them, give them choice of therapy and tell them to abandon the homosexuality lifestyle and if they don’t - either leave and if you want to be here then you got to face the punishment as a criminal.’
He was asked what is the punishment.
He said, ‘Throw them off a cliff.’
Middle East - Iraq- gays are shot, burned alive, beheaded, beaten to death.
- Iran - flogs them and hangs them
ITS NYC June 2004
(an unknown guy yelling)
‘We muslims will never, never accept your lifestyle. We ask allah to destroy you. We ask allah to burn you in hell. We ask allah to destroy you, … burn in hell.’
And while these guys spout their stuff - we only see muslims on these threads denying it all while they do nothing to correct the ones who are wrong. And what we see in majority of muslim countries that what we label ‘moderates’ are too afraid to do anything because they know they will be tortured/killed for doing so. Is that what you want here?
There is no changing of the sharia laws by muslims - and non-muslims have no rights to vote anyway.
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Kaninchen
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Crazy laws?
It was pretty hard to get yourself executed, by the way, even in Biblical times.
[You can’t understand Judaism by just ‘Torah’, you have to take into account ‘Oral Torah’]
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inJESUS
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ChristisLord,
in Lebanon they tried many times to turn it into Islamic sharia country but they failed. And Jews do not interpret the Bible in the way you did, that is why executions were extremely rare. There is nothing called 7th centuty barbarism in islam, because they consider their laws eternal. I don’t know what you can do in your country, but look at what happened to other countries because of Islam. Islam is not your nice neighbor who gives you falafel for free, Islam is an ideology and implimenting their ideology is their goal, even if yu have to become a second-class citizen in your own country. Am not Islamophobic, i live in Lebanon and will remain in the land where Jesus and the apostles walked, but it doesn’t mean that the Muslims do not attack our churches or shrines, it doesn’t mean Muslims don’t dream of an Islamic state, and it doesn’t mean that Muslims don’t put explosions in supermarkets selling alcohol , and it doesn’t mean Muslims will refrain from waking everybody up because they have to go pray at dawn ecc. You want to welcome Muslims, you are free, but preserve your culture and heritage because Muslims care less for diversity.
in Lebanon they tried many times to turn it into Islamic sharia country but they failed. And Jews do not interpret the Bible in the way you did, that is why executions were extremely rare. There is nothing called 7th centuty barbarism in islam, because they consider their laws eternal. I don’t know what you can do in your country, but look at what happened to other countries because of Islam. Islam is not your nice neighbor who gives you falafel for free, Islam is an ideology and implimenting their ideology is their goal, even if yu have to become a second-class citizen in your own country. Am not Islamophobic, i live in Lebanon and will remain in the land where Jesus and the apostles walked, but it doesn’t mean that the Muslims do not attack our churches or shrines, it doesn’t mean Muslims don’t dream of an Islamic state, and it doesn’t mean that Muslims don’t put explosions in supermarkets selling alcohol , and it doesn’t mean Muslims will refrain from waking everybody up because they have to go pray at dawn ecc. You want to welcome Muslims, you are free, but preserve your culture and heritage because Muslims care less for diversity.
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R_not
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InJESUS, thank you. I know of another Lebonese Christian who is fighting with all her might to make sure islam does not become the dominate one in our USA. Her name is Brigette Gabriel. It is her book, ‘Because They Hate’, that I recommended. I also bought her other book, ‘They Must Be Stopped’ but have not read it yet. I have read similar books, but I like her style and her cause. I also joined her group - Act for America. I admire her greatly - she is a hero to me.
What really brought me around were the types of stories people like her have told - and some of the others that told stories were ex-muslims of things just as bad that islam has caused in their lives.
One ex-muslim is Nonie Darwash’s book, Now they Call Me Infidel, is also a good read of an Egyptian muslim and she tells us the bad results of polygamy on a culture/women, plus other things. She is a daughter of a martyr - a man who died killing Jews for allah. So, I take her words very seriously. And also others like Walid Shoebat, Ali Sina, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser (still a muslim but is now an outcast because he speaks against the violence - go figure - now that should show us all who the real peaceful muslims are and they are not ones deceiving us about what islam is all about by writing abrogated surahs!).
We should know this by our own Mormon polygamists and the stories of the children who escape those circumstances, and the women who ‘wake up’!
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inJESUS
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yes i know about Brigitte
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