Vatican to try former ambassador on child porn, sex abuse charges

[Abynissa]

Vatican to try former ambassador on child porn, sex abuse charges
By Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN Mon June 15, 2015

(CNN)The Pope’s former ambassador to the Dominican Republic, Jozef Wesolowski – accused of offenses related to child abuse – will be tried at the Vatican beginning next month, the Vatican said Monday.

Wesolowski, 66, is the highest-ranking former Vatican official to be arrested for allegations related to the sexual abuse of minors and the first to be tried on such charges at the Vatican…[MORE]((CNN)The Pope’s former ambassador to the Dominican Republic, Jozef Wesolowski – accused of offenses related to child abuse – will be tried at the Vatican beginning next month, the Vatican said Monday. Wesolowski, 66, is the highest-ranking former Vatican official to be arrested for allegations related to the sexual abuse of minors and the first to be tried on such charges at the Vatican.)

 

[Abba]

Vatican to try former ambassador on child porn, sex abuse charges
By Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN Mon June 15, 2015

(CNN)The Pope’s former ambassador to the Dominican Republic, Jozef Wesolowski – accused of offenses related to child abuse – will be tried at the Vatican beginning next month, the Vatican said Monday.

Wesolowski, 66, is the highest-ranking former Vatican official to be arrested for allegations related to the sexual abuse of minors and the first to be tried on such charges at the Vatican…[MORE]((CNN)The Pope’s former ambassador to the Dominican Republic, Jozef Wesolowski – accused of offenses related to child abuse – will be tried at the Vatican beginning next month, the Vatican said Monday. Wesolowski, 66, is the highest-ranking former Vatican official to be arrested for allegations related to the sexual abuse of minors and the first to be tried on such charges at the Vatican.)

Enfermo! Asqueroso!

Does the Vatican have a prison?

The Catholic Church accepts the death penalty. Right on Saint Peter Square! Maybe this is one solution so psychos would stop being attracted to the priesthood.

It would cost the Dominican Republic a lot of money to keep a child molester alive in prison. Then again, the prisoners will probably let him be because he is a priest.

 

[CNA_News]

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...t_Bohumil_Petrik_CNA_2_CNA_1_26_15.jpgVatican City, Jun 15, 2015 / 03:07 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Former papal nuncio Josef Wesolowski will be tried by the Vatican’s criminal court for sexual abuse of minors and for possession of child pornography.

The Vatican has said that Pope Francis “wishes to address (the case) justly and rigorously.”

Fr. Federico Lombardi, director of the Holy See Press Office, said last year that “from the very first moments that this case was made known to them, moved without delay and correctly in light of the fact that former nuncio Wesolowski held the position of a diplomatic representative of the Holy See,” particularly in recalling the former nuncio to Rome for canonical trial.

Wesolowski, a Polish-born laicized archbishop, was papal nuncio to the Dominican Republic from 2008 until he resigned in August 2013 due to allegations that he had paid for sexual relations with minors.

He was recalled to Rome, after which he was put on trial by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

In June 2014, the tribunal of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith found him guilty of sexual abuses. In response to the verdict, the Vatican ruled that Wesolowski would be laicized--the most serious canonical penalty for the archbishop.
 
Wesolowski was also criminally charged by the Vatican’s penal court. The first hearing of the criminal trial will take place July 11.

The Promoter of Justice, the Vatican’s public prosecutor, has investigated his conduct. The former nuncio was kept under house arrest in the Vatican, rather than being jailed in Vatican City’s prison, due to poor health.

According to the Holy See Press Office, the former nuncio is “accused of a number of offenses committed both during his stay in Rome from August 2013 until his arrest and in the period he spent in the Dominican Republic, during the five years in which he held the office of apostolic nuncio.”
 
The criminal charges against Wesolowski include abuse of minors while he was nuncio to the Dominican Republic. The allegations are based on evidence from the judicial authorities of Santo Domingo, the country’s capital.
 
The Vatican press office statement stressed “these serious allegations will be scrutinized by the competent judicial body.” The trial will be assisted by technical appraisals of the IT systems Wesolowski used. If necessary, the trial will include international legal cooperation to assist in evaluating the testimony of competent authorities in Santo Domingo.

Fr. Lombardi told journalists that no international request has yet been submitted by Vatican authorities with regard to the Wesolowski case.

Concerning the alleged crimes committed in Rome, Wesolowski is being charged with possession of child pornography under a 2013 law introduced by Pope Francis.

That law reformed the Vatican penal code and extended its effect. The reform applied the law to papal nuncios and Holy See diplomats, as well as to the employees of bodies or institutions linked to the Holy See, whether or not they are located in Vatican City State territory.
 
Previously, the penal code applied only to all the employees and officials of the Roman Curia.

After the original accusations against Wesolowski became public, a 13-year-old boy came forward with further allegations that he had solicited him for sexual favors in exchange for money.

The nuncio was taken into protective custody by Dominican Republic officials. The Vatican Secretary of State then recalled the nuncio to Rome for further investigation by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

In September 2013, Vatican officials voiced willingness to hand over Wesolowski to civil authorities in the Dominican Republic, though there is no extradition treaty between the Holy See and the Dominican Republic.

In August 2014, Fr. Lombardi clarified that because the nuncio had been removed from his post, he no longer had diplomatic immunity.

Wesolowski served as nuncio to Bolivia and several countries in Central Asia before becoming nuncio to the Dominican Republic.

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[BartholomewB]

Enfermo! Asqueroso!

Does the Vatican have a prison?

That’s an interesting point. Presumably the verdict will be guilty, but what happens next? Will he be sentenced to a term of imprisonment within the territory of the Vatican State? It’s hard to imagine the Church extraditing him to face charges in the Dominican Republic.

 

[Abba]

A couple of years ago, my cousin told me that there were two foreign priests in Santiago, Dominican Republic who molested children. I don’t know why the Dominican authorities let them return to their country of origin to be judged. I don’t know who the other was but one of them was Wojciech Gil, Alberto

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He forced a child at gun point. Mr. Wojciech molested fourteen Dominican children from the same neighborhood.

In Poland he was sentenced to seven years. This is too light of a sentence. It should be for life or the death penalty. Demonic.

“Canon law has always forbidden clerics to shed human blood and therefore capital punishment has always been the work of the officials of the State and not of the Church. Even in the case of heresy, of which so much is made by non-Catholic controversialists, the functions of ecclesiastics were restricted invariably to ascertaining the fact of heresy. The punishment, whether capital or other, was both prescribed and inflicted by civil government. The infliction of capital punishment is not contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, and the power of the State to visit upon culprits the penalty of death derives much authority from revelation and from the writings of theologians. The advisability of exercising that power is, of course, an affair to be determined upon other and various considerations.”

The Vatican cannot wash it’s hands life Pontius Pilate. Parents and children trusted those men because they are priests. If they commit such horrible crimes, the Vatican should handle it. It’s not fair that the priest who molested 14 children in Santiago returns to Poland and is sentenced to 7 years in prison. That’s not accountability. The Vatican should adopt serious laws to respond to this most serious problem. People need to know that if they molest a child they will live the rest of their life in a dungeon below Saint Peter Square and never see day light again. Let’s see how attractive psychos will be finding the priesthood.

That man shows absolutely no remorse in that picture taken by the Dominican authorities.

The ex-ambassador is appealing being defrocked. Are the appeal papers public? I wonder why he thinks he should continue in the priesthood?

It may have been the investigation of the priest above that led to the ex- ambassador.

 

[mikekle]

Enfermo! Asqueroso!

Does the Vatican have a prison?

The Catholic Church accepts the death penalty. Right on Saint Peter Square! Maybe this is one solution so psychos would stop being attracted to the priesthood.

It would cost the Dominican Republic a lot of money to keep a child molester alive in prison. Then again, the prisoners will probably let him be because he is a priest.

Well, In my opinion, the Vatican handling this kind of trial is better than any secular court systems. I think the ‘state’ or authority is always going to be a certain level of biased against the CC and and of its officials.

 

[Hans_W]

Well, In my opinion, the Vatican handling this kind of trial is better than any secular court systems. I think the ‘state’ or authority is always going to be a certain level of biased against the CC and and of its officials.

Well, the outside world thinks the same about the CC. And they were right as the scandal went on for decades with perpetrators being shifted around between parishes.

 

[Abba]

Well, the outside world thinks the same about the CC. And they were right as the scandal went on for decades with perpetrators being shifted around between parishes.

The members of the Church were as ignorant as everyone else regarding the permanence of pedophile behaviors. In the 70s, 80s etc the Bishops and those responsible handling such crimes would refer the perpetrator to a psychologist or psychiatrist. The psychology/psychiatry professionals did not have the knowledge we now have about how it is seriously difficult to treat pedophiles. The psychologist would treat the person and send them back or okay them to go back to work.

This ignorance is in the past, we now know that a person who has demonstrated or acted upon pedophile behavior in all probability would continue to act upon it or continue to demonstrate such behavior. Given this knowledge now, the Church will defrock a sick person right away.

The Church authority now knows to defrock such person toute de suite. However. people do try to take advantage of the crisis and falsely accuse priests just to see if they can get some money from the Church. The accusations need to be substantiated with evidence not just hearsay.

We need to be honest and clear about the problem and not quick to accuse the Church which may blind us in recognizing the actual problem and how best to address it.

The other matter which contributed to the Church not handling these cases in the most effective way is the religious concern with ‘scandals.’ People try to present the ‘scandal’ concern in a worldly manner and degrade it. But, it is not all so worldly.

The concern of ‘scandal’ confused the response, specially in the light of the erroneous understanding that these people could be treated. The attempt to prevent scandal in the main as per the faith, was not to protect the ‘reputation’ of the Church but to protect those who would be spiritually harmed by the scandal. Many people, simply did not understand that a person who hurt a child at a parish, once treated psychologically etc., and transferred to another parish would do it again.

Now, there were psychos who participated in these transfers who themselves were deviant (e.g. the Mr. Wesolowsk who probably arranged for his country mate to be conveniently transferred or stationed in Santiago, Dominican Republic). However, many who participated in the transfer of priests who had molested children thought these people could be cured, were cured as per psychologicalpsychiatric evaluations, were repented of their sins and were not going to hurt another child.

CCC on scandal:

ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=scandal&xsubmit=Search&s=SS

 

[johnnykins]

Well, In my opinion, the Vatican handling this kind of trial is better than any secular court systems. I think the ‘state’ or authority is always going to be a certain level of biased against the CC and and of its officials.

After the exposure of the Church’s track record in handling abuse cases to date, I would beg to differ. It’s a civil matter and should be handled by the civil authorities. I am at best skeptical that the Church is capable of rendering justice in these situations since it’s been unable to do so in the past.

 

[johnnykins]

The members of the Church were as ignorant as everyone else regarding the permanence of pedophile behaviors. In the 70s, 80s etc the Bishops and those responsible handling such crimes would refer the perpetrator to a psychologist or psychiatrist. The psychology/psychiatry professionals did not have the knowledge we now have about how it is seriously difficult to treat pedophiles. The psychologist would treat the person and send them back or okay them to go back to work.

This ignorance is in the past, we now know that a person who has demonstrated or acted upon pedophile behavior in all probability would continue to act upon it or continue to demonstrate such behavior. Given this knowledge now, the Church will defrock a sick person right away.

The Church authority now knows to defrock such person toute de suite. However. people do try to take advantage of the crisis and falsely accuse priests just to see if they can get some money from the Church. The accusations need to be substantiated with evidence not just hearsay.

We need to be honest and clear about the problem and not quick to accuse the Church which may blind us in recognizing the actual problem and how best to address it.

The other matter which contributed to the Church not handling these cases in the most effective way is the religious concern with ‘scandals.’ People try to present the ‘scandal’ concern in a worldly manner and degrade it. But, it is not all so worldly.

The concern of ‘scandal’ confused the response, specially in the light of the erroneous understanding that these people could be treated. The attempt to prevent scandal in the main as per the faith, was not to protect the ‘reputation’ of the Church but to protect those who would be spiritually harmed by the scandal. Many people, simply did not understand that a person who hurt a child at a parish, once treated psychologically etc., and transferred to another parish would do it again.

Now, there were psychos who participated in these transfers who themselves were deviant (e.g. the Mr. Wesolowsk who probably arranged for his country mate to be conveniently transferred or stationed in Santiago, Dominican Republic). However, many who participated in the transfer of priests who had molested children thought these people could be cured, were cured as per psychologicalpsychiatric evaluations, were repented of their sins and were not going to hurt another child.

CCC on scandal:

ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=scandal&xsubmit=Search&s=SS

In the 60s and 70s when I was an adolescent I was well aware of statutory rape and the old saw “16 will get you 20.” I do not believe that the well educated adults who were Bishops and priests were unaware that what was happening was criminal. IF, and that’s a very big IF, they were unaware of the psychological damage done by abuse, that is no bye for hiding and…dare I say it…abetting criminal behavior.

Sorry…no more byes. We need to admit that way too many Bishops were criminally complicit, as well as evil, in their handling of these men. Stop making excuses. They knew better or they were criminally ignorant. The Church has handled this whole thing in the most abysmal manner - and the fact that it was common throughout the world on how it was handled…move 'em, hide 'em, protect the Church’s assets, protect the Church’s reputation… shows amply it was SOP.

 

[cycleman]

It will be interesting to see how the Vatican handles extradition requests. Both the Dominican Republic and Poland want to prosecute him under their own civil laws. Back in 2013, Dom Rep sought his extradition and the Vatican refused both on the basis of diplomatic immunity (which he no longer has) and the fact that there is no extradition treaty between the Vatican and the Dominican Republic. But, I guess if the Vatican really wanted to extradite him they could expel him and the Italian police could arrest him as he left the Vatican. I’m sure the Italians would make sure he got back to the Dominican Republic.

 

[weller2]

In Poland [Gil] was sentenced to seven years.

It was a plea deal, actually.

 

[weller2]

It will be interesting to see how the Vatican handles extradition requests. Both the Dominican Republic and Poland want to prosecute him under their own civil laws.

Vatican already refused to extradite Wesolowski to Poland: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=851359

 

[Abba]

Stop making excuses. They knew better or they were criminally ignorant. The Church has handled this whole thing in the most abysmal manner - and the fact that it was common throughout the world on how it was handled…move 'em, hide 'em, protect the Church’s assets, protect the Church’s reputation… shows amply it was SOP.

That record has been played so many times, the ‘excuse’ one, to attack a person who is speaking out for the Church that - it is scratched. It’s like the famous cliche that after so much use lose their meaning.

Meanwhile, you are speaking about bishops and priests in general. You need to list the ones you are referring to or at least provide the numbers by countries. The majority of the priests of the Catholic Church are fine priests and we are also blessed with many holy priests. It is a small percentage of priests and deacons which have abused children. Most of these cases have been homosexual acts.

Here is a report of some data and statistics: John Jay Study Reveals Extent of Abuse Problem goo.gl/axpJuI

People need to start naming the clerics and providing the exact numbers. There are many priests who are serving Our Lord Jesus humbly and the new ones, even though they know it will be tough given the crisis, have still said to Him: Here I am. It is highly unfair to bunch our beloved priests with those who have committed heinous crimes.

Exactly, because we have fine and holy priests, pedophile and gay people are attracted to the priesthood. Yes, and Satan is having a ball. But, people do not need to add coal in the fire as our priests are being humiliated, spit on, degraded, falsely accused, etc… Don’t bunch them all up. Who are you talking about specifically. TELL ME THE NAME.

Please join an intelligent discussion about a most serious problem facing the Church in our time, not one where cliches and anti-catholic propaganda will be pasted like flyers.

 

[johnnykins]

That record has been played so many times, the ‘excuse’ one, to attack a person who is speaking out for the Church that - it is scratched. It’s like the famous cliche that after so much use lose their meaning.

Meanwhile, you are speaking about bishops and priests in general. You need to list the ones you are referring to or at least provide the numbers by countries. The majority of the priests of the Catholic Church are fine priests and we are also blessed with many holy priests. It is a small percentage of priests and deacons which have abused children. Most of these cases have been homosexual acts.

Here is a report of some data and statistics: John Jay Study Reveals Extent of Abuse Problem goo.gl/axpJuI

People need to start naming the clerics and providing the exact numbers. There are many priests who are serving Our Lord Jesus humbly and the new ones, even though they know it will be tough given the crisis, have still said to Him: Here I am. It is highly unfair to bunch our beloved priests with those who have committed heinous crimes.

Exactly, because we have fine and holy priests, pedophile and gay people are attracted to the priesthood. Yes, and Satan is having a ball. But, people do not need to add coal in the fire as our priests are being humiliated, spit on, degraded, falsely accused, etc… Don’t bunch them all up. Who are you talking about specifically. TELL ME THE NAME.

Please join an intelligent discussion about a most serious problem facing the Church in our time, not one where cliches and anti-catholic propaganda will be pasted like flyers.

It’s been played so many times because what has happened is so absolutely appalling. Google around- lists of the priests and Bishops are there for the asking - and that’s just the ones accused publicly. You can google just as easily as I. If it had lost its meaning you wouldn’t react like this. WAY WAY WAY too many priests and Bishops have engaged in these acts and covered them up… Too many did exactly the same things of moving, hiding, denying, protecting assets while exposing children demonstrating an SOP unworthy of the Church…no, this has gone on, and on, and on, and on…Those criminals and evil doers are the people you are defending.

Yes there are many good, holy priests - now tarnished by their confreres - not the press, not the courts, not the victims, not the lawyers - by the horrific multiple, repeated, despicable acts and omissions of a horde of their fellow priests and bishops.

The scandal broke in Boston in 2002, but had been building for decades…and now - 2015, finally, the Vatican seems to act…??? We’ll see . I hope to God it works, but I’m “from Missouri” as Harry Truman would say - “show me.”

Until then, Holy Mother Church will bear the scars and filth heaped on Her by the many perverts and abetters whom She harbored in Her bosom. Those who defend those who abused children and long prevented justice for the victims, continue to mangle the face of the Church.

 

[Abba]

I WAY WAY WAY too many priests and Bishops have engaged in these acts and covered them up… Too many did exactly the same things of moving, hiding, denying, protecting assets while exposing children demonstrating an SOP unworthy of the Church…no, this has gone on, and on, and on, and on…Those criminals and evil doers are the people you are defending.

WERE YOU THERE? Or do you count on the pro-gay New York Times to keep informed - members of whom have made it one of their favorite past times to attack the Catholic Church? You are just echoing the limited and bias media presentation. Or is it that you have an over acting imagination or problems of your own that you are venting through this most serious problem facing the Church today?

Oh, you are accusing me as well of defending pedophiles? Based on what? The same false assumptions, lack of information, misunderstandings that you base your generalized accusations of Holy Mother Church, the priesthood and Bishops?

Until then, Holy Mother Church will bear the scars and filth heaped on Her by the many perverts and abetters whom She harbored in Her bosom.

Blaphemy! Blasfemia!

You accuse Holy Mother Church of harboring, like a mother a child in her bosom adores and protects, persons who violated innocent children of the faith many of whom trusted them exactly because they were priests. What a contradiction! How can you accuse something holy of such evil deeds? For that matter, you might as well accuse Our Lord Jesus of harboring and protecting those criminals.

This is where you are getting it all wrong, when you consider people like Mr. Alberto Wojciech Gil ‘fellow’ of priests who really were called by and serve Our Lord Jesus. I remember an old television show of Bishop Sheen that I saw where he states that he learned about 250 protestants had join the priesthood with the goal to dismantle the Catholic Church from within. Bishop Sheen said that some had come forth and left the priesthood, others repented and converted to Catholicism but there were others who were still working for the goal and remained. Now would you consider those priests ‘fellows’ of priests who were called by Our Lord Jesus?

Many homosexuals and pedophiles have been attracted to the priesthood and religious orders because they want to be with males and because of the opportunity provided by the position as people have traditionally placed much trust on priests with their children. God will bring a greater good out of this weakness which has been used for evil and the Church for one will do all possible to eliminate the weakness which attract these sick people.

It would be good if someone does research and studies the history of the perpetrators because in all likelihood the pedophiles who joined the priesthood knew they had a malady and joined to take advantage of the vulnerability of the innocent children of our parishes. The same goes for the homosexuals who have joined the priesthood.

You have provide “Boston.” I will provide you with what has already been mentioned - Santiago.

1. Boston - 2002
2. Santiago, Dominican Republic 2013

 

[Hans_W]

…
You accuse Holy Mother Church of harboring, like a mother a child in her bosom adores and protects, persons who violated innocent children of the faith many of whom trusted them exactly because they were priests. What a contradiction! How can you accuse something holy of such evil deeds? For that matter, you might as well accuse Our Lord Jesus of harboring and protecting those criminals.
…

I think we should be able to freely admit that the Church was wrong on numerous occasions over the last two millennia. We learned from those mistakes and we move on.

 

[Abba]

I think we should be able to freely admit that the Church was wrong on numerous occasions over the last two millennia. We learned from those mistakes and we move on.

This would be the same as to say that Jesus is responsible for my sins. Why not? God created me and I have sinned. Take it up with Him. His fault. He is the greatest sinner because He is responsible for all the sins of all sinners. He has been wrong on ‘numerous occasions over the las two millennia’. Maybe we can forgive Him and move on.

It would follow that Wesolowski & Wojciech were inspired by the Holy Spirit when they hurt the children of my beloved country - DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.

VIVA LA REPUBLICA DOMINICANA!

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VIVA LA SANTA MADRE IGLEGIA CATOLICA!

 

[cycleman]

It will be interesting to see how the Vatican handles extradition requests. Both the Dominican Republic and Poland want to prosecute him under their own civil laws.

Vatican already refused to extradite Wesolowski to Poland: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=851359

This is truly disturbing. The Pope talks about accountability, but surely that must include accountability to the civil law regimes in the countries where the offenses are alleged to have been committed. That includes co-operating in any investigation, as well as not harboring the accused.

 

[johnnykins]

WERE YOU THERE? Or do you count on the pro-gay New York Times to keep informed - members of whom have made it one of their favorite past times to attack the Catholic Church? You are just echoing the limited and bias media presentation. Or is it that you have an over acting imagination or problems of your own that you are venting through this most serious problem facing the Church today?

Oh, you are accusing me as well of defending pedophiles? Based on what? The same false assumptions, lack of information, misunderstandings that you base your generalized accusations of Holy Mother Church, the priesthood and Bishops?

Blaphemy! Blasfemia!

You accuse Holy Mother Church of harboring, like a mother a child in her bosom adores and protects, persons who violated innocent children of the faith many of whom trusted them exactly because they were priests. What a contradiction! How can you accuse something holy of such evil deeds? For that matter, you might as well accuse Our Lord Jesus of harboring and protecting those criminals.

This is where you are getting it all wrong, when you consider people like Mr. Alberto Wojciech Gil ‘fellow’ of priests who really were called by and serve Our Lord Jesus. I remember an old television show of Bishop Sheen that I saw where he states that he learned about 250 protestants had join the priesthood with the goal to dismantle the Catholic Church from within. Bishop Sheen said that some had come forth and left the priesthood, others repented and converted to Catholicism but there were others who were still working for the goal and remained. Now would you consider those priests ‘fellows’ of priests who were called by Our Lord Jesus?

Many homosexuals and pedophiles have been attracted to the priesthood and religious orders because they want to be with males and because of the opportunity provided by the position as people have traditionally placed much trust on priests with their children. God will bring a greater good out of this weakness which has been used for evil and the Church for one will do all possible to eliminate the weakness which attract these sick people.

It would be good if someone does research and studies the history of the perpetrators because in all likelihood the pedophiles who joined the priesthood knew they had a malady and joined to take advantage of the vulnerability of the innocent children of our parishes. The same goes for the homosexuals who have joined the priesthood.

You have provide “Boston.” I will provide you with what has already been mentioned - Santiago.

1. Boston - 2002
2. Santiago, Dominican Republic 2013

As I posted earlier:

Those who defend those who abused children and long prevented justice for the victims, continue to mangle the face of the Church.

With respect to your rant: QED