Vatican welcomes Iran's historic nuclear deal

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I welcome the deal as well. Hopefully, we can come to reach common ground on other issues as well. It was good to see the Europeans, Americans, and the Iranians at the same table. This could be a bridge-building event.
 
TheAdvocate said:
I welcome the deal as well. Hopefully, we can come to reach common ground on other issues as well. It was good to see the Europeans, Americans, and the Iranians at the same table. This could be a bridge-building event.
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Heartily agree. Kudos to Obama’s team, John Kerry especially.
 
Garbage. Total garbage designed to provide cover for Iran and handcuffing Israel. Another stroke of progressive genius from the man who promised to fundamentally change America. Well that’s one promise he kept.
 
Pulvis said:
Garbage. Total garbage designed to provide cover for Iran and handcuffing Israel. Another stroke of progressive genius from the man who promised to fundamentally change America. Well that’s one promise he kept.
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I really don’t care if Iran (or North Korea) gets the holy grail: a 500 kt thermonuclear weapon that could fit in an ICBM. Even if Iran has nuclear weapons, they could not use it aggressively due to the nature of mutually assured destruction (and Iran cannot ensure destruction of its adversaries, particular the US with less than 300 thermonuclear warheads, not to mention having good bombers and nuclear subs to deliver those weapons). Those weapons primary value is in deterrence from aggression.

Still, I would be that the Counter Punch left would be upset about this deal. As long as Iran has absolute sanctions relief, civilian nuclear capability, and no menacing threat of US military action, it would be a good deal. Also, verifying that Iran does not have nuclear weapons capability would prevent additional arms races in the Middle East.
 
And the administration is sending Iran how much tax payer money? :eek:
 
Latias said:
I really don’t care if Iran (or North Korea) gets the holy grail: a 500 kt thermonuclear weapon that could fit in an ICBM. Even if Iran has nuclear weapons, they could not use it aggressively due to the nature of mutually assured destruction …
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MAD went out the window as soon as terrorist groups started using suicide bombings as a tactic.
 
I DO NOT welcome this “deal”, we still have an american christian pastor in jail in iran for the past THREE years who is being tortured and mistreated. Was his release part of the deal?
 
jediliz said:
I DO NOT welcome this “deal”, we still have an american christian pastor in jail in iran for the past THREE years who is being tortured and mistreated. Was his release part of the deal?
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The president addressed that very talking point yesterday. He did a good job explaining it.
 
vz71 said:
MAD went out the window as soon as terrorist groups started using suicide bombings as a tactic.
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Not to mention that there are those in Iran who literally hope to bring about an apocalypse, including authority figures/leadership before now.

Not that Iran is a simple or homogenous place, but MAD is a non-problem - or indeed a potential benefit to some.
 
TheAdvocate said:
I welcome the deal as well. Hopefully, we can come to reach common ground on other issues as well. It was good to see the Europeans, Americans, and the Iranians at the same table. This could be a bridge-building event.
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Yes. 👍

God bless!
 
TheAdvocate said:
I welcome the deal as well. Hopefully, we can come to reach common ground on other issues as well. It was good to see the Europeans, Americans, and the Iranians at the same table. This could be a bridge-building event.
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I am sure the Iranians appreciate everyone at the same table as well.
it is easier to blow them all up at once.
 
Good_Tidings said:
The president addressed that very talking point yesterday. He did a good job explaining it.
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So, he won’t get our citizens out of prison? he will just let them be tortured and killed?

Remember, he did trade FIVE terrorists for a deserter!
 
As usual, we have those influenced by rightist American politics disagreeing with the Vatican.

It is hard to reconcile this disparity of political leaning and religious conviction. Does it cause irritation, anger, or simply call for statements like “that’s just prudential judgment”.
 
ringil said:
As usual, we have those influenced by rightist American politics disagreeing with the Vatican.

It is hard to reconcile this disparity of political leaning and religious conviction. Does it cause irritation, anger, or simply call for statements like “that’s just prudential judgment”.
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First, my political leanings are unknown to you, and your ad hominem remark shows lack of depth. Secondly, and more importantly, if you study history you will see how well negotiations with moslems has worked in the past. I might remind you that the Vatican, and previous Popes, are directly responsible for Europe not being moslem now.
My disagreement with the deal has more to do with who did the dealing. Rank amateurs posing as diplomats being had by the Iranians who never intended to give up anything. I just hope the Israelis can take out Irans facilities before they get a working bomb.
 
Pulvis said:
First, my political leanings are unknown to you, and your ad hominem remark shows lack of depth. Secondly, and more importantly, if you study history you will see how well negotiations with moslems has worked in the past. I might remind you that the Vatican, and previous Popes, are directly responsible for Europe not being moslem now.
My disagreement with the deal has more to do with who did the dealing. Rank amateurs posing as diplomats being had by the Iranians who never intended to give up anything. I just hope the Israelis can take out Irans facilities before they get a working bomb.
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Your views seem weird. I initially thought you had a foreign policy view similar to a neocon.

You said this:
The IMF, with the assistance of the US state dept and George Soros money paved the way for the overthrow of the Ukrainian government. They then installed a former IMF executive as president. This was nothing more than another color revolution guided by western interests for capital gains. The US promised not to expand Nato after the wall fell, then immediately started expanding into former Soviet republics. Educate yourselves with the truth, not govco spin.
The soviets were vicious totalitarians, but the Russian people, and Russia as a whole is mostly worried about western agression. Remember, Russia has been invaded by the Europeans twice.
And the US has plenty of blood on its hands when it comes to inserting itself into foriegn governments for its own self interest. It started in earnest with Theodore Roosevelt, and exploded during the cold war. One should study actual history, and not rely on sanitized, political spin versions.
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A person who condemns the expansion of NATO, while defending US and Israel in the Middle East. It seems that concerning, the Middle East, your views are driven by a distrust of Muslims.

I hope Iran can defend itself from Israeli attack.
MAD went out the window as soon as terrorist groups started using suicide bombings as a tactic.
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Suicide bombings were always a tactic that militant non-state actors have. Part of the psychological impact of suicide bombings was to demonstrate to the public the resolve and determination of the participants.

States are usually not suicidal. It is just asinine to suggest that the logic of MAD does not apply to Iran since they are interested in maintaining their regional influence, which would require survival. Iran would not give its valued nuclear weapons to a “terrorist” group, and risk the strategic wrath of the US. And no, I do not consider Hezbollah or Hamas “terrorists”.
 
There is no concern for survival evident in the repeated suggestions from Ahmedinejad, Al Khamenei and chums that they will pave the way for Al Mahdi - which bringing about a thermonuclear war, or one involving other apocalypse level destruction, could supposedly do.

There’s no way MAD can be assumed to reliably protect against a religious conviction that end times warfare is required for the glorification of God and the redemption of mankind.

It was precarious with the Russians, and that was merely because of a different culture, not religious convictions.
 
Latias said:
Your views seem weird. I initially thought you had a foreign policy view similar to a neocon.

You said this:

A person who condemns the expansion of NATO, while defending US and Israel in the Middle East. It seems that concerning, the Middle East, your views are driven by a distrust of Muslims.

I hope Iran can defend itself from Israeli attack.

Suicide bombings were always a tactic that militant non-state actors have. Part of the psychological impact of suicide bombings was to demonstrate to the public the resolve and determination of the participants.

States are usually not suicidal. It is just asinine to suggest that the logic of MAD does not apply to Iran since they are interested in maintaining their regional influence, which would require survival. Iran would not give its valued nuclear weapons to a “terrorist” group, and risk the strategic wrath of the US. And no, I do not consider Hezbollah or Hamas “terrorists”.
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I did not defend US policy in the middle east. I do support Israel, and any agreement which strengthens Iran is a mistake. And no, i do not support an expansion of nato, particularly as an attempt to squeeze the Russians from gaining influence in eastern europe. Nato is being used to assist the EU to gain financially from eastern europe.
I have a realistic attitude as to american foreign policy. The US has quite a bit of blood on it’s hands. As do the British, French, Russians And Germans. Power corrupts when God is not the author of your world view.

And i still hope the Israeli airforce is up to the task.
 
Latias said:
States are usually not suicidal. It is just asinine to suggest that the logic of MAD does not apply to Iran since they are interested in maintaining their regional influence, which would require survival. Iran would not give its valued nuclear weapons to a “terrorist” group, and risk the strategic wrath of the US.
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Really? I have found most states to act against their own interest.
Iran supports terrorism as well as proxy wars against others.

Trying to look at their actions with logic and expecting logical actions on the part of Iran is a mistake.
In cases such as this, one needs to look into who they are, what they do, and what they do it with.
Latias said:
And no, I do not consider Hezbollah or Hamas “terrorists”.
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:ehh:
 
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