vegetaianism and conversion?

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But reading what you have written here, it sounds like you are trying to convert others to your belief of not eating meat.
Sorry if you infer it. I do eat meat. However, that does not mean that I gorge myself on it.

I also primarily post on LDS-related threads, and think that if they were to have more balance in applying their WOW, they might become a bit more tolerant on other subjects. When I wear a t-shirt which praises coffee, I have seen people actually GLARE at me, because it offends them. 🤷
 
Which Christian religions preach against eating meat?🤷
Seventh-day Adventist Church I think advocates vegetarianism but I don’t know their views on meat eating.
please don’t go off-topic.
So why would someone have a hard time converting? Unless you are talking about someone from a non-Christian religion.There are many good disciplines. There is nothing in Catholicism that says you HAVE to eat meat, so why would it be a problem?
I guess I am still not getting why it would be a problem for someone that doesn’t eat meat to convert. In any other Christian religion it is a personal choice, in Catholicism it is a personal choice.

But reading what you have written here, it sounds like you are trying to convert others to your belief of not eating meat.
In (at least modern) Hindiusm it is forbidden to kill cows. Don’t you think people who are vegetarian Hindus would have a problem converting to Catholicism?
 
Seventh-day Adventist Church I think advocates vegetarianism but I don’t know their views on meat eating.
please don’t go off-topic.
You are concerned about people who are vegetarian as part of their religion and want to convert to Catholicism. I am wondering how many people that would be. :shrug:If no Christian church is vegetarian, then we aren’t worried about anyone that is already a Christian. They can convert without question.
In (at least modern) Hindiusm it is forbidden to kill cows. Don’t you think people who are vegetarian Hindus would have a problem converting to Catholicism?
I would first wonder how many people would it effect. How many Hindus are looking to convert? Then I would wonder are they holding on to being a vegetarian because they are still holding on to a part of their old religion? Are they not embracing all facets of Catholicism?

The one thing we don’t have to do is to change the view of Catholics. That makes no sense. Catholicism is the One True Church. We don’t need to change our beliefs to attract others.
 
Take a look at this. It presents an argument that man is marvelously adapted for a vegetarian diet. Primarily fruits. dpcpress.com/natural_diet.html

Osteoporosis, gout, liver failure, kidney disease, constipation, and colon cancer are all consequences of too much meat in the diet.

We must eat the diet for which God made us.
 
But reading what you have written here, it sounds like you are trying to convert others to your belief of not eating meat.
Take a look at this. It presents an argument that man is marvelously adapted for a vegetarian diet. Primarily fruits. dpcpress.com/natural_diet.html

Osteoporosis, gout, liver failure, kidney disease, constipation, and colon cancer are all consequences of too much meat in the diet.

We must eat the diet for which God made us.
Hmmm. Still getting that feeling. :hmmm:
 
Take a look at this. It presents an argument that man is marvelously adapted for a vegetarian diet. Primarily fruits. dpcpress.com/natural_diet.html

Osteoporosis, gout, liver failure, kidney disease, constipation, and colon cancer are all consequences of too much meat in the diet.

We must eat the diet for which God made us.
Again the question is not about what is the healthiest diet. It is a moral question. The article says the right diet is not a matter of belief and it sets out to prove humans should not eat meat based on how the human body has adapted over many generations to available foods.

Predators have forward facing eyes. Prey have eyes that see a wider angle to avoid predators. The article showed a human skull compared to a predators and compared teeth. If you compare a human skull to a pure vegetarian skull you will also see a great contrast, with the human appearing to have features of both, indicating we are omnivores.

If you take the adaptation arguement you would be forced to look at indiginous people around the world who are primarily hunters and gatherers. I don’t think there are groves of fruit trees in many areas naturally occurring. You will not find humans swinging from branches eating bananas. You will not find them in plains eating grass. Whereve you find them they eat meat unless they belong to a religion that says it is immoral.

Humans do not need teeth like pure predators, lions and tigers to tear apart their food. We have hands and tools whi h is part of how we are adapted to eat everything.

It may very well be that the ideal diet for best health is vegetarianism. I don’t think that is true, because the long term or life long vegetarians I know are not healthy people. One of my father’s nieces became a vegan. She drove her parents crazy. They knew every salad bar for a 100 miles. She lectured them about how unhealthy it is to eat meat. My father who ate meat daily wryly said to her that people who eat meat do not live long lives. She thought she finally was making a convert not realizing she was speaking with a 92 year old healthy carnivore.

None of this is relevant to the question of morality. Jesus said it does not matter what you eat. It goes in one end and out the other. Nothing you eat can make you unclean (immoral). This is very plain. Peter said don’t eat blood or strangled things, meaning it is ok to eat animals that were shot, stabbed, or clubbed over the head and roasted. Remember the vision he had of all the animals and being told to eat them.

If someone lives on seals, whales and caribou we have no problem with that. If you live on coconuts and taro root and fish don’t worry about it.

If you think that eating or not eating this and that, observing dietary laws will get you to heaven there is a big problem.

The one thing we can say about most of the people in our modern culture who are obsessed with diet is the majority of them do not go into nature and find and produce their own foods. We primarily live in cities and enjoy a broad variety of food at our disposal from supply chain of food coming from various regions around the globe, soya, wheat, rice, fruits and nuts from the north and south and the tropics. People who have to eat what is available, eat what is available and there is no religious or moral implication to this, nothing that impacts the state of your soul, according to our Chuch.

If a person believes eating a chicken is sinful and wants to join a religion that says it is not the case and where the majority of his coreligionists eat chicken without giving it a thought that makes no sense. This was the OPs question. How can I join a religion that allows meat eating, because I do not eat meat, because I think it is wrong?

The answer is DON’T join that religion. Find another one or reconcile your belief that meat eating is immoral. Don’t join any religion whose moral teaching you do not believe.
 
I would first wonder how many people would it effect. How many Hindus are looking to convert? Then I would wonder are they holding on to being a vegetarian because they are still holding on to a part of their old religion? Are they not embracing all facets of Catholicism?
After all the good work Mother Theresa and her Missionaries of Charity has done in India, why not? After all the millenia the Syro-Malabar and Syro-Malankara Churches have spent in India, spreading the Gospel amongst the people there, why not? India is the second most populous country in the world, and I believe that will be our next

Whether they choose to continue their vegetarianism has nothing to them holding on to the tenets of their previous faith but everything to do with the fact that as Hindus, they have grown up never eating meat. Even if they reject their Hindu faith, they are still no more used to eating meat than we are to eating insects. Why would continuing to be vegetarian not be “embracing all facets of Catholicism”? The Church does not tell us to eat meat or not to eat meat. There are thousands of new converts in India every year, and many continue to be vegetarian even after their conversion. Why do we choose to doubt their faith simply because they continue to retain certain morally-neutral lifestyle habits out of sheer familiarity?

Yes, I understand vegetarianism may seem foreign to us, and our imaginative natures may suspect that they may be secretly apostates, but it is unseeming for us as fellow Catholics to cast aspersions upon the sincerity of their conversion simply because we cannot understand the cultural backgrounds of our new brothers and sisters.
 
I would first wonder how many people would it effect. How many Hindus are looking to convert? Then I would wonder are they holding on to being a vegetarian because they are still holding on to a part of their old religion? Are they not embracing all facets of Catholicism?
After all the good work Mother Theresa and her Missionaries of Charity has done in India, why not? India is the second most populous country.

Whether they choose to continue their vegetarianism has nothing to them holding on to the tenets of their previous faith but everything to do with the fact that as Hindus, they have grown up never eating meat. Even if they reject their Hindu faith, they are still no more used to eating meat than we are to eating insects. Why do we choose to doubt their faith simply because they continue to retain certain morally-neutral lifestyle habits simply out of familiarity?

Yes, I understand vegetarianism may seem foreign to us, and our imaginative natures may suspect that they may be secretly apostates, but it is unseeming for us as fellow Catholics to cast aspersions upon the sincerity of their conversion simply because we cannot understand their cultural backgrounds.

I apologise if I may seem rather harsh in my assessment, but I know Catholics who were formerly Hindu, and any of them would be aghast at the idea that they may simply be holding on to the beliefs of a faith they have long rejected.
 
After all the good work Mother Theresa and her Missionaries of Charity has done in India, why not? India is the second most populous country.

Whether they choose to continue their vegetarianism has nothing to them holding on to the tenets of their previous faith but everything to do with the fact that as Hindus, they have grown up never eating meat. Even if they reject their Hindu faith, they are still no more used to eating meat than we are to eating insects. Why do we choose to doubt their faith simply because they continue to retain certain morally-neutral lifestyle habits simply out of familiarity?
I don’t doubt their faith because they continue to retain their lifestyle habits. I would question why they would want to become Catholic but only if Catholics stopped eating meat.
Yes, I understand vegetarianism may seem foreign to us, and our imaginative natures may suspect that they may be secretly apostates, but it is unseeming for us as fellow Catholics to cast aspersions upon the sincerity of their conversion simply because we cannot understand their cultural backgrounds.
Again, I don’t question their conversion, simply that to convert they want ALL Catholics to stop eating meat. A Catholic can remain in good standing in the Church, being a vegetarian. A Catholic can remain in good standing in the Church and eat meat.

The OP was questioning how someone could convert with the Church’s view on eating meat. If someone believes that eating meat is morally wrong and believes that the Church is wrong to allow its members to eat meat, then yes, I would question why they are converting.
 
It is morally wrong to abuse the bodies God gave us by unhealthy eating habits.

A person who has been vegetarian all their life will have problems converting to a religion which, at least culturally, disapproves of a vegetarian lifestyle. They would have to overcome habit, and a metabolism which is adapted to their chosen diet.

Somewhere in the Epistles such social pressures are addressed, but I don’t have time to look it up. 1 Timothy 4: 3-5 This says that in matters of diet, everyone should find their own preferences. Liberally interpreted. Same thing for LDS who condemn coffee-drinkers.
 
I don’t doubt their faith because they continue to retain their lifestyle habits. I would question why they would want to become Catholic but only if Catholics stopped eating meat.
Again, I don’t question their conversion, simply that to convert they want ALL Catholics to stop eating meat. A Catholic can remain in good standing in the Church, being a vegetarian. A Catholic can remain in good standing in the Church and eat meat.

The OP was questioning how someone could convert with the Church’s view on eating meat. If someone believes that eating meat is morally wrong and believes that the Church is wrong to allow its members to eat meat, then yes, I would question why they are converting.
I thank you for your clarification. I agree with you. A Hindu who wants the Church to adopt vegetarianism as a teaching probably misunderstands Christianity. However, simply because they view it as morally wrong does not necessarily suggest the individual is a syncretist continuing his previous religious precepts.

Where the example of Hinduism is concerned, we must understand why Hindus practice vegetarianism and how this may be an issue after conversion:

  1. *]Hindus eat the food after offering it to their gods, and only vegetarian food is suitable to be offered to gods
    This is becomes moot upon conversion, naturally. God does not need our food, and neither does He have dietary restrictions. A convert who continues to believes in this probably had very questionable catechesis.
    *]Non-vegetarian food is 'poisonous’
    This endures as an ‘ick’ factor towards meat, much as we would go ‘ick’ towards insects, even though both are perfectly edible when prepared properly. However, it is not a barrier towards conversion, since they can continue to practice vegetarianism personally as Catholics.
    *]Non-violence to animals
    This is ingrained in their psyche as part of a larger principle of respect towards animals, and this is the one that is most likely to be an obstacle, if at all.

    It is this third reason that may pose a problem. Such an individual, having come from a background that respects animals, may simply find it strange that the Catholic Church does not practice the same, especially the Genesis story tells of man being the steward of creation. He may even voice the view that it is “morally wrong”. However, we cannot assume that he is still “being a Hindu”, because to him, his respect of animals is a civil discipline, not a purely religious one. If this happens, we need to patiently explain to him why the Church permits the eating of meat. 🙂

    In reality, however, those who convert typically have no problem with the Church’s stance towards eating meat. Hindus often live alongside people of other faiths. If they are not troubled by other religions eating meat, then they should have no problem when they convert to that other religion. 👍

    In parting, I wish to point out that our psyches are not isolated compartments. The process of conversion is not one of brainwashing. A Hindu does not become a Catholic without retaining some of his previous habits and mindsets. They must be tackled with charity, and may be tolerated so long as they do not contradict Church teaching (most relevant being that of believing in gods other our Lord Himself). Like you have said: A Catholic can remain in good standing in the Church, being a vegetarian. A Catholic can remain in good standing in the Church and eat meat.

    Vegetarianism may be a useful discipline, but we are not the Magisterium. Should anyone decide to shun other Catholics for not abiding to it, let him be shunned. 😃
 
You need vitamin D to increase calcium absorption. That is why calcium intake among Inuit doesn’t prevent osteoporosis.
And you need to be very careful that if you supplement with vitamin D3 that you don’t also supplement with calcium.

My partner did that and ended up with dangerously high blood calcium levels.
 
And you need to be very careful that if you supplement with vitamin D3 that you don’t also supplement with calcium.

My partner did that and ended up with dangerously high blood calcium levels.
Interesting. Thank you for the advice.

I am scared of osteoporosis, my grandmother suffered greatly from it, and her father died from kidney failure.
 
but vegetarian food taste much better than dead animals.

so if people eat human meat for food you wouldn’t care?
but people shoudn’'t be eating meat in Lent since that is a time of fasting.

but one may ask: why does the Church talk about Eastern religions and New Age but forget that many of them disslike Catholicism beacuse of the meat eating and therefore never talk about this subject/topic?
Vegetarian food is better than meat? Are you talking about locally grown vegetables and legumes which don’t displace natural animal habitats for one crop farming?

Or are you talking about the vegetarian fake that look almost like real meat - soy products?

Personally give me a nice thick NY steak any day. Thanks be to God that I don’t have to be a vegetarian. 😃
 
Interesting. Thank you for the advice.

I am scared of osteoporosis, my grandmother suffered greatly from it, and her father died from kidney failure.
I was diagnosed with osteopenia a couple of years ago during a routine scan.

I started supplementing with 5000 units of vitamin D3 daily and increased my meat intake.

At my last scan there were no more visible signs of osteopenia.

I did not add calcium to the mix. I got my calcium strictly from diet which because I was supplementing with D3 meant that it got to the bones where it belonged.

I am scared to death of having to take one of those bone drugs. They cause bone growth but the wrong kind. Women are actually breaking their thigh bones while on that stuff. That is some scary stuff.

Read this:

abcnews.go.com/WN/WorldNews/osteoporosis-drugs-fosamax-increase-risk-broken-bones-women/story?id=10044066
 
My psychiatrist diagnosed a D3 deficiency. The symptoms and complications are wide-ranging.
 
It is morally wrong to abuse the bodies God gave us by unhealthy eating habits.

A person who has been vegetarian all their life will have problems converting to a religion which, at least culturally, disapproves of a vegetarian lifestyle. They would have to overcome habit, and a metabolism which is adapted to their chosen diet.

Somewhere in the Epistles such social pressures are addressed, but I don’t have time to look it up. 1 Timothy 4: 3-5 This says that in matters of diet, everyone should find their own preferences. Liberally interpreted. Same thing for LDS who condemn coffee-drinkers.
Christianity does not disapprove of a person choosing to be a vegetarian. Many great saints were vegetarian. Carthusian monks are vegetarian. I have a good friend who is a nun who prefers to be a vegetarian, but when served meat as a guest in someone’s home she eats it.

It is not the same as LDS and coffee. LDS says no coffee allowed. Many Baptists say no drinking, dancing no tobacco. Jews say no pork and have a ton of other dietary rules.

Catholics say eat whatever you want to eat. If you believe eating meat is an immoral abuse of the body and are correct then the Church has failed us for not warning against it. She tells us getting drunk is sinful and that gluttony is sinful. She does not tell us eating hamburgers is sinful. If you think otherwise you have a problem with your Church.

I wonder how Catholics who make this an issue approach the Eucharist.
 
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