Vegetarianism Scriptutally based?

[LtTony]

There’s this and other verses in Scripture than I run across that indicate (even command) that believers did not or should not eat meat and Jesus was a veggie. What is to be said of the subject, in general?

*“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.” (Genesis 1:29,30).
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Jim

 

[urquhart]

Would you please indicate which verses lead you to believe that Jesus was a vegetarian?.

 

[Pious]

LtTony:

There’s this and other verses in Scripture than I run across that indicate (even command) that believers did not or should not eat meat and Jesus was a veggie. What is to be said of the subject, in general?

*“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.” (Genesis 1:29,30).
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Jim

Yes I believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to eat a vegetarian diet and also for all the animals to do the same; but all that changed when Eve and Adam took a bite from the forbidden fruit.

But if you read Isaiah 11:1-10 it tells of things returning to as God had intended.

 

[LtTony]

urquhart:

Would you please indicate which verses lead you to believe that Jesus was a vegetarian?.

Off hand, I can’t. This is not my belief. I have heard people make this claim and was wondering where they may have got the idea.

Jim

 

[Tantum_ergo]

How do you explain the eating of the Passover lamb?

 

[yochumjy]

If God only wanted us to eat vegitables, he wouldn’t have allowed the creation of Veggie Tales!

 

[LtTony]

Pious:

Yes I believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to eat a vegetarian diet and also for all the animals to do the same; but all that changed when Eve and Adam took a bite from the forbidden fruit.
But if you read Isaiah 11:1-10 it tells of things returning to as God had intended.

So before Adam and Eve sinned, the animals were not carnivores. That there was no death among the animals? That would eliminate one dinasour eating another. I’ve always thought this “death” to mean a spiritual death. And that Isaiah referred to heaven or heaven on earth when Christ returns.

Jim

 

[Pious]

LtTony:

So before Adam and Eve sinned, the animals were not carnivores. That there was no death among the animals? That would eliminate one dinasour eating another. I’ve always thought this “death” to mean a spiritual death. And that Isaiah referred to heaven or heaven on earth when Christ returns.

Jim

Yes there were carnivourous creatures, but before the fall they did not eat each other and yes I believe I Isaiah refers to Christs return.

 

[Bobby_Jim]

Well after the Resurrection, Jesus eats some cooked fish with his disciples. So at best, Jesus avoids red meat and poultry. Or a “veg-aquarian”, as one of my friends would say.

But my guess is that being a vegetarian in the sense that we mean it here in the USA was pretty much unheard of in that time and place. There were no religious reasons to avoid meat in general, just restrictions on eating certain animals, shellfish, and insects, which Jesus would certainly have kept. For most folks, meat would have been only an occasional treat, not an everyday staple the way it is now. For such people living on a poor, low-protein diet, it’s a rare luxury for someone to choose to avoid meat on the few occasions when it’s available and encouraged.

 

[catsrus]

all that changed when Eve and Adam took a bite from the forbidden fruit.

Uh, no.

Genesis 9:1-4 NAB
1 "God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth. 2. Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea. 3. Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants. 4.Only flesh with it’s lifeblood still in it you shall not eat.”

Apparently, man did not eat animals, birds or fish until after the flood.

 

[Pious]

yochumjy:

If God only wanted us to eat vegitables, he wouldn’t have allowed the creation of Veggie Tales!

Thanks that has blown my theories out of the water

 

[Pious]

catsrus:

Uh, no.

Genesis 9:1-4 NAB
1 "God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth. 2. Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea. 3. Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants. 4.Only flesh with it’s lifeblood still in it you shall not eat.”

Apparently, man did not eat animals, birds or fish until after the flood.

Interesting, well theoretically it was still after they took a bite from the forbidden fruit (ok so a few hundred years passed in the meantime)

 

[Liberian]

LtTony:

So before Adam and Eve sinned, the animals were not carnivores. That there was no death among the animals? That would eliminate one dinasour eating another. I’ve always thought this “death” to mean a spiritual death. And that Isaiah referred to heaven or heaven on earth when Christ returns.

Jim

That’s always been a bit of a confusing point for me, and at some point in eternity (assuming I make it to Heaven) if I don’t have anything better to do I will ask about it. Don’t hold your breath, though.

I realize that The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy series is generally not thought of as a good source for philosophical ideas, but in one of the later books (maybe it was the last one) the author introduces the idea of “reverse temporal engineering”–that if you want things to be a certain way today this device will travel backwards in time and rearrange the past so that things will turn out the way you want them. I’ve occasionally wondered if something like that happened between obviously carnivorous dinosaurs and Adam and Eve.

• Liberian

 

[LtTony]

Pious:

Yes there were carnivourous creatures, but before the fall they did not eat each other and yes I believe I Isaiah refers to Christs return.

They ate meat but didn’t eat each other??? I don’t want to make this complicated but if they didn’t eat each other what meat did they eat??

 

[LtTony]

**“reverse temporal engineering”–that if you want things to be a certain way today this device will travel backwards in time and rearrange the past so that things will turn out the way you want them. I’ve occasionally wondered if something like that happened between obviously carnivorous dinosaurs and Adam and Eve.
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Huh?

Jim

 

[MistyF]

Pious:

yochumjy:

If God only wanted us to eat vegitables, he wouldn’t have allowed the creation of Veggie Tales!

Thanks that has blown my theories out of the water

I’ve always said…If God didn’t want us to eat animals, he wouldn’t have made them out of meat.

 

[vegpotter]

Some Christians, like the Seventh Day Adventists, are vegetarian as part of their religious practice. I’ve heard other vegetarians say that Jesus was, but I don’t see how that could be the case, seeing as how fish was such a huge staple of the diet of the region (and, contrary to what some may think, vegetarians don’t eat fish!) I’m not sure I understand the idea that carniverous animals did not eat meat at some point; that doesn’t make sense, maybe someone can explain that to me?

To me, our own Holy Father, Benedict XVI says it best-- When he was asked about the rights of animals in a 2002 interview, he said, “That is a very serious question. At any rate, we can see that they are given into our care, that we cannot just do whatever we want with them. Animals, too, are God’s creatures . . . Certainly, a sort of industrial use of creatures, so that geese are fed in such a way as to produce as large a liver as possible, or hens live so packed together that they become just caricatures of birds, this degrading of living creatures to a commodity seems to me in fact to contradict the relationship of mutuality that comes across in the Bible.”

 

[pnewton]

catsrus:

Uh, no.

Genesis 9:1-4 NAB
1 "God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth. 2. Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea. 3. Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants. 4.Only flesh with it’s lifeblood still in it you shall not eat.”

Apparently, man did not eat animals, birds or fish until after the flood.

Because man was given specific instruction not to eat animals a certain way after the flood in no way (name removed by moderator)lies anything about conditions before the flood. This type of reasoning is echoed in those who deny the perpetual virginity of Mary based on the word “until.” The logic is false then and now.

 

[pnewton]

LtTony:

There’s this and other verses in Scripture than I run across that indicate (even command) that believers did not or should not eat meat and Jesus was a veggie. What is to be said of the subject, in general?

“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.” (Genesis 1:29,30).

Jim

Because God made all this for consumption in no way reflects on what is not to be consumed.

If you came over my house and I told you, “I made fajitas for you, here I have beef and chicken and I also have shrimp, all for your consumption”, in no way denies you the right to a helping of refried beans.

 

[Pious]

LtTony:

They ate meat but didn’t eat each other??? I don’t want to make this complicated but if they didn’t eat each other what meat did they eat??

Sorry, I used the word carnivour to identify todays meat eaters rather than naming them all.