Veiling challenge

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In other words are you saying, headcoverings should not just be veils?
 
Headcoverings do not have to be veils
One could piously cover their head and never once wear a veil.
 
Completely agree. Headcovering doesn’t have to be veils but could be veils also.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
In other words are you saying, headcoverings should not just be veils?
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Yes!!!

Of course! For example, something like this was one of the traditional head coverings for North American Catholic school children:
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And as I posted earlier in this thread, North American women tended to wear pillbox hats. On Sundays, younger girls --other than some ethnic minorities-- were never seen in veils (other than maybe the small round chapel caps.) They wore bonnets, berets, and other hats with brims.

Yes, veils and scarves were worn, but often out of convenience, since women could stash them in glove boxes, coat pockets, and purses.
 
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Exactly! There is no such thing as ‘veiling’ for lay women —and this was never a Church tradition. Head covering was.
 
It’s okay. 🙂

Headcoverings do not have to be veils. It is just veils are making a return but everyone has a right to a personal choice of whether to wear a headcovering or not and which type.
 
DignumEtJustum said:
If other women don’t like the idea fine, they don’t have to wear them and therefore are responsible for the loss of any possible spiritual or other graces a result.
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Where in any Church teaching are you finding a mention of grace accruing to this practice?

You are making the point I mentioned earlier—the odd notion that women in head coverings should be perceived as more reverent, humble or pious than women who are not. And that is simply not true.
 
So, I love the hats of the past. The pillbox hats and hats that are similar to the headband shown above and many women frequently wear them for headcovering as I see some of the women in my parish wear who cover. Scarves too, are great for headcovering. That is what many Eastern Catholics wear, but some do wear veils.

That said, part of the reason women are choosing the veil, and most usually they are simple veils without a lot of adornment, is because the Blessed Mother veiled.

There is a desire to return to the humility and feminine type nature similar to the Blessed Mother rather than what the world suggests. It is not really a desire to bring back a midcentury clothing fashion.

As I said, covering doesn’t have to be a veil. If you are called to wear a headcovering, there are many ways, but that is mostly the reason behind the veil.
 
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As I said above, veils are not about bringing back a fashion statement but about imitating the Blessed Mother, which is what many women would like to see return.
 
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The Blessed Mother wore clothing that was common in her day, it’s what everyone wore.

If emulating Mary is what you want to do, shouldn’t you be wearing the clothing that is appropriate for our day,that doesn’t call attention to you. I mean, that’s what Mary did?
 
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Much of the clothing of our day is inappropriate as Our Lady of Fatima said would happen.

Also, no matter what image or apparition, or time period the Blessed Mother appears, her clothing doesn’t change.

I am not familiar with any recent apparitions that show her appearing in blue jeans.

It is not about a time period. There is a detachment from that.
 
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Hmm…then I challenge anyone to be clothed with the sun 😎…(just trying to lighten the mood here)…

So many responses over a veil…methinks it’s not really about the veil but what the veil symbolizes and represents…
 
In light of…confusion…these days in the Church, perhaps some people want a physical connection to tradition. And some people have no such desire.

Both seem to be perfectly valid, personal preferences…
 
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Obviously women will have personal preferences but you seem to be saying that the object is more important than the act.
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That is absolutely true. I highly doubt that God cares one whit who’s wearing what, but he does care very much how we treat our fellow humans.
 
JulianN said:
Exactly! There is no such thing as ‘veiling’ for lay women —and this was never a Church tradition. Head covering was.
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You can say that till you’re blue in the face - and it’s so, so true. But, in all probability, before this thread closes, another one, about “veiling” will open. :roll_eyes:
 
Good point. Not to run too far off the OP, which happened long ago anyway, there is a drive to push away traditional leaning Catholics from the Church in some of the more radical liberal elements in the Church. It starts from the top and works its way down. Kind of a rainbow flag mob mentality. And, yes, judgment and hate are encouraged. You just call it change and mercy, whatever. It doesn’t matter - that would be getting too deep, too legalistic. Trickle down Papa Francis.

I am obviously being sarcastic. But the sad part is my observation is basically accurate, and I think a lot of liberals know it, or are starting to realize it. I am not saying traditionalists/conservatives don’t feel and express unChristian aggression, hate towards progressives, that would be absurd. But they are called out regularly for it, criticized harshly, publicly, constantly. Which could actually be a blessing, a corrective, inducing humility, clearing some of that out.

Anyone who is a serious Christian should be concerned. What does this tell you about what is really up in the new post-veil Pastoral Progressive Church. Judge them by their fruits…lock up your sons and ditch the veils.
 
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