Very mature and responsible action on your part.
Obedience is a holy virtue, however the gal isn’t her religious superior and all these “reasons” for her to unveil in Church go against her specific religious liberties and if her religious liberties can be infringed upon in an “interfaith” setting, who is next? No, these “reasons” are actually various opinions and not fact and logic and rules regarding worship. To impose one’s own preference on another is not exactly charity or done for any specific spiritual good. And having been through my own days of college, I know all too well the hen pecking some have to put up with from others in various group settings in order to get along with those your stuck with for a semester or two. To be honest I think this is more about peer pressure and how far the one gal will get with the person whose religious practice she needs to knock down a few pegs out of envy probably.
So, is it accurate to say you think I have a holier than thou attitude? If so, thanks for the fine judgment of my character. But I think name calling is not allowed here at CAF. I’m off-putting, holier than thou, not winning any friends and offensive. Fine. God bless you for your kind words.
Actually Glenda,
If someone were to ask me for instance, to refrain from receiving Communion on the tongue because most everyone else received in the hand, or to refrain from kneeling when receiving Communion, because most of the others stand, I would very politely refuse. And if this polite refusal was not accepted?..I’d be out the door!
Very well said, Glenda. I wish I could articulate myself as clearly and well.
I really don’t understand this term “veiling.” It seems to be a new term, replacing “covering your head.”
Holier than thou? No way. I see you as one who is standing up for your God given right to worship the Lord as you wish, and very adamant against someone suggesting that you should do otherwise. And to that I’d would say; God Bless you for it! No one should be allowed to say to another worshiper “take off that veil” or “remain standing” when receiving Holy Communion. What’s next…“stop going to confession?”
Agreed, but it’s hardly the same thing. CITH and COTT are both permitted. No one would dare say such a thing.
Whoa…A comment was made that “** A veil doesn’t hurt the faith of anyone. It challenges their lack of piety, modesty and reverence.”.** I don’t know about you, but it sounds an awful lot like the person who made this statement feels that women who do not “veil” have a lack of piety, modesty, and reverence". That could be seen by many as presenting a “holier than thou” attitude, since it implies that only those who do cover their heads are pious, modest, and reverent.
Well you did pretty much say that those of us who don’t ‘veil’ lack piety, modesty and reverence.
But you’re not standing up for your faith if you refuse to remove a veil. You’re standing up for a personal right to practice a private devotion that is no longer required by Holy Mother Church.
Yes. She did and it was quite unnecessary.
This was the approach I took when I was asked to remove my cap during Mass. I grew up during the period when we wore a head covering simply upon entering a church or chapel. Nothing was said about whether or not the Eucharist was present. We looked for the red light indicating the presence of the Eucharist only after we were in the church or chapel. Growing up in the military meant that the chapel was shared with other denominations and the Eucharist was not always present.I can’t help but think that this is a tempest in a teapot and that the Mass should never ever be a source of conflict and entrenched opinions, especially over something that is, in fact, an external, is not required, nor is it any indication of the depth of one’s faith. It’s not as if a nun is being asked to remove her habit or headdress to make announcements.
As for “obedience”, the Benedictine approach to obedience is not only to obey one’s religious superior, but also every legitimate authority whether it be a school teacher, a traffic cop or someone in charge of running some other place of worship, or even just another monk or nun who has more seniority. We are only free to disobey if we are being asked to do something unethical or sinful. Neither is the case here.
The OP is not being asked to unveil at Mass; only for a specific and occasional task.
If such a relatively minor issue is such a cause for disunity and conflict, surely there’s no hope of ever reuniting with our separated brethren, nor even much hope of the Catholic Church ever being united
Also not only as Benedictines, but as Catholic Christians, we are called upon to be artisans of peace, and where conflict is found, to try to disengage from it and disarm it.
Perhaps, as a male, I just don’t understand veiling; but I do understand a bit about our duties to be artisans of peace, and the virtues of obedience; obedience is not only holy, but paradoxically, the road to true liberty.
Well, when you basically tell women who do not "veil’ that they lack piety, modesty, and reverence, what kind of attitude do you think you are displaying? I’d call it holier than thou, too. It doesn’t matter if you add a nice little “God bless you” at the end of your posts, your meaning that the rest of us who don’t cover aren’t as holy as you is crystal clear. You can dish out the insults but apparently can’t take them???
You’re right but at the same time the Pope did say that there was supposed to be no rupture between the old and the new. Not blaming anyone (much) but it sounds to me there has been created one.