Vermont poised to elect America's first socialist senator

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Traditionally, our big businesses have provided pensions for our retirement and affordable insurance for our health care. Now that the capitalists are cutting both out of their budgets, it seems logical that the wageslaves will turn to big government instead.

Socialism is the future for los Etados Unidos.
 
Richardols said:
Good for Vermont! It’s in keeping with the spirit of that very independent people in the Green Mountain State.
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He us rabidly pro-abortion. As a Catholic can you tell me what is good about that? Doesnt seem to be very good if you are a very young child in Vermont.
 
estesbob said:
He us rabidly pro-abortion. As a Catholic can you tell me what is good about that? Doesnt seem to be very good if you are a very young child in Vermont.
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Vermonters are very independent. They have had Socialist mayors of cities, and it’s one of only two states where no one needs any sort of permit to carry a handgun. Vermonters are quite unique in their politics.
 
estesbob said:
He us rabidly pro-abortion. As a Catholic can you tell me what is good about that? Doesnt seem to be very good if you are a very young child in Vermont.
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Would it make any difference to you if Bernie was faintly pro-abortion?
Maybe he just doesn’t have the same value system you and I have. His own personel conscience may consider abortion acceptable.
Honestly, his position on abortion isn’t any different than the Republican Senator elected there six years ago.
 
Richardols said:
Vermonters are very independent. They have had Socialist mayors of cities, and it’s one of only two states where no one needs any sort of permit to carry a handgun. Vermonters are quite unique in their politics.
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thats true after all remember this judge…
Judge Edward Cashman Gives Man Who Repeatedly Raped 7-Year-Old Girl For 4 Years 60 Days In Jail…diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001489.html
 
Paganus said:
Traditionally, our big businesses have provided pensions for our retirement and affordable insurance for our health care. Now that the capitalists are cutting both out of their budgets, it seems logical that the wageslaves will turn to big government instead.

Socialism is the future for los Etados Unidos.
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:confused:

We’ve had government old age pensions for years. (Although to be fair we adopted them many years after they were started in Europe by that paragon of socialism and champion of the working man Bismarck) :rolleyes:

As for health care, I view it as one more government-supplied utility for public health such as roads, ports, airports, meat inspection, and storm water systems.

Nothing wrong with that. “promote the general welfare” and all that.

As a small employer my biggest obstacle to growth (besides cash flow) is the cost of benefits for employees.
 
sirduckjr said:
Would it make any difference to you if Bernie was faintly pro-abortion?
Maybe he just doesn’t have the same value system you and I have. His own personel conscience may consider abortion acceptable.
Honestly, his position on abortion isn’t any different than the Republican Senator elected there six years ago.
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No-I dont think it is good to have ANYONE who supports the killing of children in a position of power… How about you?
 
Richardols said:
Vermonters are very independent. They have had Socialist mayors of cities, and it’s one of only two states where no one needs any sort of permit to carry a handgun. Vermonters are quite unique in their politics.
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But you failed to answer the question-as a Catholic why do** you** think its good for Vermont to have a man representing them who supports the killing of our children?
 
MikeWM said:
Fascinating 🙂

guardian.co.uk/midterms2006/story/0,1937064,00.html

Mike
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Interesting. Maybe some people will look up socialism and see what it’s all about. In the era that I was being “educated”, Socialism, communism, totalitarianism and anything even similar was all glossed over as the same thing: BAD. So anything even related to those words was bad.

In more recent years, that mindset has spread even farther. Anything with words like Liberal, democratic, progressive, etc are equated with “BAD”. (but nobody will look up the words)

To the point where now, even disagreeing with the current administration is “bad.”

Although sometimes I think that may slowly be turning around.

The funny thing about it all, is that since we’ve become almost a pure capitalist society, with a big loss in the ways of social justice, that the ideology of Socialism probably has more in common with Christ’s message, than this “democratic republic.”
 
estesbob said:
But you failed to answer the question-as a Catholic why do** you** think its good for Vermont to have a man representing them who supports the killing of our children?
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I think that Vermont voters should decide whom they want as Senator, and it would have been better if he was a pro-lifer, yes.
 
estesbob said:
No-I dont think it is good to have ANYONE who supports the killing of children in a position of power… How about you?
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I can’t recall voting for a pro-abortion candidate in over 12 years. Interestingly, the formula for my vote had many times equated to voting for the lessor of two evils. This type of logic has lead me and my fellow citizens of Missouri down the road to Amendment II, the right to clone. Eventually, especially in the state of Missouri, the overt evil of this amendment will even surpass the evil of abortion.
Bottom line, just because someone is against abortion, they will no longer get my vote. Take a close look at our current Governor Matt Blunt, who has overtly supported this amendment and from what I understand, taken money from the Stowers Family, the same folks who have contributed almost 28 million in support of this amendment. He also is anti-abortion and in the previous election made a great point of distingushing himself in the abortion issue against his opponet, who was pro-abortion.

The lessor of two evils is a false analogy!
 
sirduckjr said:
I can’t recall voting for a pro-abortion candidate in over 12 years. Interestingly, the formula for my vote had many times equated to voting for the lessor of two evils. This type of logic has lead me and my fellow citizens of Missouri down the road to Amendment II, the right to clone. Eventually, especially in the state of Missouri, the overt evil of this amendment will even surpass the evil of abortion.
Bottom line, just because someone is against abortion, they will no longer get my vote. Take a close look at our current Governor Matt Blunt, who has overtly supported this amendment and from what I understand, taken money from the Stowers Family, the same folks who have contributed almost 28 million in support of this amendment. He also is anti-abortion and in the previous election made a great point of distingushing himself in the abortion issue against his opponet, who was pro-abortion.

The lessor of two evils is a false analogy!
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Being pro-life is the base qualification to get my vote. it doesnt mean i will vote for a person just becuase they are pro-life but I will not vote for anyone who is not.
 
estesbob said:
But you said his elction was GOOD for Vermont.
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A candidate doesn’t have to share every one of my own beliefs to be a good and effective representative of the people of his or her state.

A pro-lifer can turn out to be a rotten Senator, a pro-choicer an excellent one - and vice-versa.
 
max37 said:
Interesting. Maybe some people will look up socialism and see what it’s all about. In the era that I was being “educated”, Socialism, communism, totalitarianism and anything even similar was all glossed over as the same thing: BAD. So anything even related to those words was bad.

In more recent years, that mindset has spread even farther. Anything with words like Liberal, democratic, progressive, etc are equated with “BAD”. (but nobody will look up the words)

To the point where now, even disagreeing with the current administration is “bad.”

Although sometimes I think that may slowly be turning around.

The funny thing about it all, is that since we’ve become almost a pure capitalist society, with a big loss in the ways of social justice, that the ideology of Socialism probably has more in common with Christ’s message, than this “democratic republic.”
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A good post, and I share your hopes. As it says in the article
“Twenty years ago when people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union, about Albania,” Mr Sanders told the Guardian in a telephone interview from the campaign trail. “Now they think about Scandinavia. In Vermont people understand I’m talking about democratic socialism.”
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And rightly so. On that basis, I’m a socialist too, and proud of it.

As for the Church - while it (obviously!) has no love for the kind of atheistic socialism around at the time of Rerum Novarum, it equally has no love for the kind of unbridled capitalism we see in most ‘civilized societies’ today, as a quick read of Rerum Novarum or it’s successors would indicate. A few minutes spent reading Populorum Progressio is a very well-spent few minutes.

Mike
 
Richardols said:
A candidate doesn’t have to share every one of my own beliefs to be a good and effective representative of the people of his or her state.

A pro-lifer can turn out to be a rotten Senator, a pro-choicer an excellent one - and vice-versa.
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How can a person who aids in killing our children EVER be considered a excellent Senator???
 
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