Very difficult Father - should I change to Mother's maiden name?

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Hello everyone, thanks for the thoughtful responses. I have had counselling before and it was quite helpful when I was working up the courage to say no to him and start the process of disentanglement. I would consider it again but part of me doesn’t want to just go over everything again. The problem really is simple: my Mum, who I adore, is dying and my Dad has been a monumental letdown, set a terrible example and shows no sign of changing his ways. I am unsure how counselling will help? I’m not particularly depressed at the moment, I’m just getting on with things and figuring out a career, etc., but I do feel furious with him and it’s hard to forgive someone who thinks they’ve done nothing wrong and hasn’t asked for forgiveness.

I am of course very, very lonely. I have lots of friends, no girlfriend, and most importantly no home. Also my experiences are unique and there is no-one to share them with.

Prayer helps a lot, as does saying the rosary, and I will continue to do that and asks for God’s guidance. I look forward to having children of my own and being a brilliant father. Families are so complicated!
Talking with a therapist is not always “counselling.” Sometimes its nice to have someone you can completely let your guard down with and talk to about all the junk going on in your life.

Some days my Catholic Therapist just listens and offers nothing. Other days, he chimes in regarding something I say even when I initially didn’t think it was a big deal; and makes me ponder it.

I was never someone who was interested in seeing a therapist. But I started seeing one due to some issues I was having with my father.

Now, I enjoy speaking with my therapist (usually once every 3 weeks) because I have realized that I don’t have 1 person in my life that I can freely express all of my issues to. Sometimes, I feel that if I talk to certain people in my life about my issues, it places a burden on them. So there are things I can talk about with everyone in my personal life, but no one I can talk about 100% of the issues with.

My Therapist is that is that sole person who I can talk about everything with.

God Bless
 
Hello everyone, thanks for the thoughtful responses. I have had counselling before and it was quite helpful when I was working up the courage to say no to him and start the process of disentanglement. I would consider it again but part of me doesn’t want to just go over everything again. The problem really is simple: my Mum, who I adore, is dying and my Dad has been a monumental letdown, set a terrible example and shows no sign of changing his ways. I am unsure how counselling will help? I’m not particularly depressed at the moment, I’m just getting on with things and figuring out a career, etc., but I do feel furious with him and it’s hard to forgive someone who thinks they’ve done nothing wrong and hasn’t asked for forgiveness.

I am of course very, very lonely. I have lots of friends, no girlfriend, and most importantly no home. Also my experiences are unique and there is no-one to share them with.

Prayer helps a lot, as does saying the rosary, and I will continue to do that and asks for God’s guidance. I look forward to having children of my own and being a brilliant father. Families are so complicated!
This reminds me of the line from Crocodile Dundee:

Sue: … I suppose you don’t have any shrinks at Walkabout Creek.
Dundee: Nah - - back there, if you got a problem, you tell Wally. And he tells everyone in town… brings it out in the open… no more problem
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My rule of thumb is that when you have an issue to deal with, whether it is some organic problem with your brain (like clinical depression) or a particularly difficult or unusual set of circumstances beyond the experience of your friends, that’s when it can be useful to go through the effort of finding the right therapist or counselor. Their job is to have a broader understanding of human psychology and human difficulties and to use that to help you find coping skills that you couldn’t necessarily find for yourself without far more suffering than you needed to go through. They may also be helpful in deciding whether you need to find a psychiatrist, because your emotional trial has a medical dimension to it that needs treatment. In your case, yes, I’d think it would be less exhausting if you could find a way to go back to the person who helped you previously, so you don’t have to go back over so much ground you have already toiled your way across with your previous person. (At very least, see if you can get their notes transferred to the new place.)

With ordinary grief or ordinary stresses, you can resort to your friends’ support and your own inner resources. With extraordinary circumstances, it can be useful to get professional help. It is very much like medical problems: you can self-treat a headache or those aches and pains that just require you to give your body the chance to heal itself. There are medical problems, though, like broken bones or certain infections, that will only get worse the longer you put off getting treatment or that will heal badly if not given professional attention. Ask yourself if you have an issue like that. Since you are not depressed and have had experience in therapy, my sense is that you may be the best judge of that, if you take the trouble to really look at yourself on an ongoing basis.

I’d look forward to being the best father you can, and not get into “brilliant.” That is the kind of adjective that comes from your children, in retrospect. When you’re in the middle of parenting, it is enough to be occupied with really just doing the best you can.

On the issue of changing your name, if in doubt I’d wait until you marry. It shouldn’t be hard to look up the rules for your state, though, and use that to help you with your decision. I’d say that the fewer times you have to do it in a lifetime, the better. Your college transcripts and all sorts of other records are in your current name, and it is less hassle to be known by the same name as you always have.
 
I am unsure how counselling will help?
I didn’t make the suggestion, but I nodded when I read it. I think counseling might help you clarify your feelings, motivations, and expectations for the name change. I think that the downside of changing your name is that there is a possibility that you are not thinking clearly enough about the situation because of all of the emotions that are involved in thinking about what your dad has done and what your mom is going through and what you have and are going through, and that you might regret it in a few years after your perspective has changed. Talking to a professional can help you see if that is the case. On the upside, it might give you the confidence that this really is a change you will be happy with. If you have a therapist that you have used in the past that you like, maybe he or she would be able to see you just for a session or two to help you work through this particular dilemma?
 
Hello everyone. I’m 24 and have a difficult relationship with my Father. When I was four my parents divorced because he had an affair and from there it’s been downhill. Without going into too much detail he did the following: got married in secret a second time without telling us and then one day just saying ‘I got married again’; divorced second wife and asked us for advice when we (my older siblings and I) were all aged 6-12; got married a third time; moved out of town to accomodate third wife but expected us to travel to see him forcing me to quit the sports I enjoyed and having an adverse effect on our school life; had bad third marriage and used to get drunk and ask us for advice (we’re now 13-19); got divorced again and tells me ‘I am your responsibility, you look after me’ when I was 16; becomes a massive alcoholic and depressed; when we didn’t come to see him he would say we were selfish, nasty, bad children, etc.; tells us that he wants to commit suicide and only by us doing certain things will he not; pressurised me into doing drugs one time (we used to get really drunk together). The list goes on: manipulative, nasty, selfish and unstable behaviour.

In amongst all of this my Mother got Alzheimer’s at an early age (51) when I was 16. Dad used to say when I/we were worried about Mum that ‘you’re obsessed with your Mum, what about me? I’m in more trouble than her’ etc. Recently he went bankrupt and brought disgrace upon the family all the while saying he was going to get married a fourth time. I finally had enough and stopped seeing him and tried to explain my feelings and all he said was that I was a ‘lost soul’ and that there’s some big conspiracy to get him.

Due to all of this, and more, I am strongly considering changing my surname to my Mother’s maiden name. I don’t know my Father’s family at all (he cuts us off from them but I recently reached out to his Mother. He told my Mum that if she still spoke to his Mum he would cut off child support). Basically, I was hoping for some advice from a Catholic perspective. Would changing my name help my sense of identity as I love my Mum and her Mum and brothers? Will I be merely trying to hide who I am? Should I make more effort with my Dad?

I love my Dad and know that he is a deeply disturbed person and I pray for him and light candles for him. However he has a terrible effect on me and makes me feel discombobulated and also angry at his selfishness and reckless behaviour.

Any thoughts?
Yes, I did just that, after my mother’s death though and it made such a difference. I wished I had done it sooner.

It was more than a symbolic act. It was a choosing not to be any part of my father’s way of life.

It was a huge weight off my mind and heart and life.
 
I’m sorry to hear of the troubles you’ve had to deal with. I wanted to respond because, while I did not face what you have, I did change my surname to my mom’s, as did my younger sister and brother. I didn’t do it to escape my dad; I just always felt closer to my mom and her side of the family. Her name was also more ethnically Polish, so in that regard it did help with my identity, as I wanted to highligh my Polish heritage (I was born in Poland).

That said, I now wish I had kept my dad’s surname as a middle name at least. He had an accident and sustained a brain injury 18 years ago, before I changed my name. He frequently brings up the fact that we changed our names and feels very slighted by it. I didn’t do it to hurt him, but that was the effect anyway.

Of course, my situation is very different from yours, and I cannot tell you if you should or shouldn’t change your name. Your identity is what you make of it. Only you can decide a) how you identify and b) in what ways you choose to express that identity. Changing your name could very well give you a sense of closure, but perhaps therapy may also be advised, maybe even before deciding on a name change.

All the best.
 
… Basically, I was hoping for some advice from a Catholic perspective. Would changing my name help my sense of identity as I love my Mum and her Mum and brothers? Will I be merely trying to hide who I am? Should I make more effort with my Dad?



Any thoughts?
You are not wrong for seeking to limit or cut ties to your father. Your responsibility is to yourself, and perhaps your siblings if they are in your care.

You need to work through the angry and guilty feelings that this experience has caused you. Changing your last name will not be a short cut to doing this. It may be helpful to reach out to someone trusted, be it a professional, a pastor, or a family member (especially one far removed from your father).
 
As others said, it’s a terrible situation and I’m sorry to hear it.
I think you’re doing the right thing – looking for ways to affirm your identity. If changing your name would help, then yes that’s good.
You have to realize your own value. Yes, we honor our parents, but never to the point of being abused by them. You have faced some serious trauma from all of this, and it’s important for you to affirm the goodness in yourself and realize you did nothing to deserve that treatment. Obviously, you don’t need to take care of your father either. He has to face his alcoholism and self-loathing by himself (or with the help of professionals). Prayer is all you can do there – but also prayer for your own healing.
I couldn’t agree more.

My husband had pretty much almost the exact same situation with his Father. Very narcissistic behaviour.
 
Hello everyone, I hadn’t realised that so many people had replied so thanks. I’m getting the strong sense that counselling night be necessary but I don’t want to have to do it again. I saw my Mum today and she was well but the last few times she didn’t recognise me. When I see my Mum I always wish I was still with my ex-girlfriend who I loved very much but this was back before I reverted back to my Catholicism and I am now having no sex before marriage but also am single. I must admit to feeling very, very lonely and sometimes I just feel like ‘why has all this happened to me? What did I do?’

I am really supportive to my sisters but I am getting so tired of having to work so hard to feel normal. I pray the rosary every day, go to mass weekly minimum, work out 5-6 times a week, read loads, volunteer, write, sleep properly, eat well,etc., but everything seems like such an effort. I have to work so hard just to be happy and I’m so sick and tired of it feeling alone and unsupported. When it comes to women it’s my own fault as I used to just fornicate and see them as sex objects but I don’t do that now and have cut out pornography, masturbation and sex outside of wedlock. I’m really trying my hardest but I still get low when I spend time alone as I miss my Mum so much and am so angry at my Dad and feel totally let down.
 
Hello everyone, I hadn’t realised that so many people had replied so thanks. I’m getting the strong sense that counselling night be necessary but I don’t want to have to do it again. I saw my Mum today and she was well but the last few times she didn’t recognise me. When I see my Mum I always wish I was still with my ex-girlfriend who I loved very much but this was back before I reverted back to my Catholicism and I am now having no sex before marriage but also am single. I must admit to feeling very, very lonely and sometimes I just feel like ‘why has all this happened to me? What did I do?’

I am really supportive to my sisters but I am getting so tired of having to work so hard to feel normal. I pray the rosary every day, go to mass weekly minimum, work out 5-6 times a week, read loads, volunteer, write, sleep properly, eat well,etc., but everything seems like such an effort. I have to work so hard just to be happy and I’m so sick and tired of it feeling alone and unsupported. When it comes to women it’s my own fault as I used to just fornicate and see them as sex objects but I don’t do that now and have cut out pornography, masturbation and sex outside of wedlock. I’m really trying my hardest but I still get low when I spend time alone as I miss my Mum so much and am so angry at my Dad and feel totally let down.
You are travelling a hard road. That is hard enough. Don’t beat yourself up because it is hard. No, rely on your friends, rely on God, because darn, this is hard. Trust us, nobody here thinks you are whining when you wonder out loud why you have to go through this and when it is going to end.

As for the name change and the therapist and the rest, in the end I’d say this: Pray, and then follow what seems the best from that perspective. Do the best you can with what you know now and plan on having to make some course corrections down the road.

When you are in prayer, do not forget to meditate on the Passion. As I used to tell my religion students, that didn’t happen because Our Lord was a bad person or the Father is sadistic. It happened because there is sin in the world and because when you are faithful to God through a bad situation, God can take the worst situation in the world and transform it into the best thing you ever did. This is a bad situation, but remaining faithful is the right way through it. That is what will transform it, in the end. Believe that.
 
You are travelling a hard road. That is hard enough. Don’t beat yourself up because it is hard. No, rely on your friends, rely on God, because darn, this is hard. Trust us, nobody here thinks you are whining when you wonder out loud why you have to go through this and when it is going to end.

As for the name change and the therapist and the rest, in the end I’d say this: Pray, and then follow what seems the best from that perspective. Do the best you can with what you know now and plan on having to make some course corrections down the road.

When you are in prayer, do not forget to meditate on the Passion. As I used to tell my religion students, that didn’t happen because Our Lord was a bad person or the Father is sadistic. It happened because there is sin in the world and because when you are faithful to God through a bad situation, God can take the worst situation in the world and transform it into the best thing you ever did. This is a bad situation, but remaining faithful is the right way through it. That is what will transform it, in the end. Believe that.
Thank you. I do pray every day and I do everything I can, I really do. I am the type of person who will always look at my own behaviour and think ‘what can I do to help this situation?’ but I really think I do everything I can. I’m super fit, have put on 10kg of muscle, read really good and challenging books, look after myself, avoid drink, drugs and stuff like that but still I feel lost. I guess I just feel so lonely but I’m really trying my hardest but I am beginning to feel hopeless, like I am permanently damaged and will never find love due to my wounds. Gosh I sound so dramatic and it’s very unlike me but I’m beginning to lose my patience. Ahhhhh God help me, I really need help.
 
I’m just sad.
You have a reason to be sad. You have good health and good friends and in spite of your sadness I think you are going to hang in there, but that doesn’t mean that you should just wait this out. If it hangs on much longer, definitely get some help. This kind of thing can change the chemistry in your brain. it can get to be like a trick knee that gets worse if you try to tough it out like it was 1910 and not 2017.

When I’ve gone through depressing times, I’ve referred to it as “flying on instruments.” You keep going by doing what you know you ought to do, by what you believe to be true instead of what you “feel” to be true, not by what your senses tell you is what you ought to do but by what your better lights tell you to do.

That is exhausting. I think that is why the Gospel writers included notice that Our Lord went off and had to re-charge with time alone in prayer. Sometimes he dismissed the crowds and spent time alone with his friends. He wasn’t “on” all the time. Maybe the tiredness you are feeling is even what He meant in this scene: As they were proceeding on their journey someone said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.” Jesus answered him, “Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head.” (Luke 9:57-58)

It has been a month since you started this thread. Try on the idea of changing your name for a few days again. Maybe it will feel like having your mom on your shoulder holding you up instead of having your dad sitting there weighting you down. If it helps you to think about doing it, maybe that would be just the thing.
 
It would be so wonderful to have great parents here on earth and a very decent family.
It isn’t always the case and sometimes, when we don’t feel accepted by our own family or safe with them, it can bring so much confusion and even having these dark voice telling us, why God would?

**But don’t listen to this dark voice. You are alive and as long you are alive there is hope.
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You have the perfect parents already. Yes you do. The Blessed Mother Mary and God your Father in Heaven. As a bonus, you can ask St-Joseph to adopt you and be your foster dad. Saint Brother Andre, lost his father at a very young age and he has a great devotion to St-Joseph. He said to ask him to pray for you as he would pray if he was in the same situation.

Beside, we can only go in Heaven through the cross. The door is open for us. Jesus has purchase for us the reward of eternal life, but we must pick up our cross and follow him.

This is your cross and be joyful, you can gain a great deal of merit in Heaven because of this situation in your family. This life is so little compare to eternal life. Set your heart in Heaven with the Holy Trinity and make peace with your situation. All will be well. Jesus is with you.

God Bless!
 
The instruments analysis is a good one. That’s precisely how I feel, just going through the motions and doing the things that ‘work’.

On the good days, which are far more frequent than they used to be and there has been genuine progress, I do feel like all this nonsense is an opportunity for me to grow as a man and gives me the experience to tackle tough challenges in life. The bad days are usually after seeing my Mum and also my elder sister who is struggling as my Dad was particularly foul to her. Onwards and upwards. Today is a new day and I will plod on. I will pray a rosary and ask for help. Thank you very much.

God bless.
 
I prayed for you, i am praying for your family and i will continue to do so each time that i think of you.

God Bless!
 
I prayed for you, i am praying for your family and i will continue to do so each time that i think of you.

God Bless!
Thank you so much. Yesterday was a dark day but they are rarer and I learnt a lot from. It heartens me hugely to know you are praying for me, thanks. Today the world looks a much more hopeful place.
 
I’m sorry, that must have been really difficult for you

The thought that came to my mind, is that everything is within God’s providence. What happened was not caused by God. But now that it’s happened, God can use it for good. It’s His way of defeating evil I think 🙂

I don’t know how to explain this because I’m still trying to understand it myself… but God knows everything in our lives. He knows our situation and He can use every part of it, including the present loneliness. Loneliness is a cross. It can be a very painful cross. God redeemed the world through a Cross. We don’t know how He can use something like this, but it’s important to trust and to pray to God to show you. The present suffering can in the end, make you more holy, and change your relationship with God and others including your family.

Have you ever heard of a Catholic novelist named Michael O’Brien? I just finished one of his books called a “Father’s Tale”. A lot of his books deal with God using people’s brokenness to lead them closer to Himself. The way he writes about it is really profound I think. Maybe it’s a book that you might be interested in… just thought I’d share.

God bless you
 
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