[Very sad!] Charlie Gard Parents Lose European Court Appeal

[Kaninchen]

Lol I love it when liberals pretend to give a hoot about humans. You don’t. You only think of humanity in the mass. All these examples about “my mom was a nurse”. That’s truly meaningless. It’s an anecdote that has nothing to do with this particular situation. But you are incapable as a dogmatic liberal to think about the individual. You’re a bunch of useful idiots, to use Yuri Bezmenov’s phrase, who have absolutely nothing of substance to say ITT other than “I support the state’s right to do whatever they want, natural law and parental rights be damned!”

It’s a shame you won’t be around to experience the neo-soviet paradise your rapidly aging generation had bequeathed to us. But I’m sure you’ll get your just reward no matter what. We all will.

Well, better to be a useful idiot than a useless idiot.

 

[Estevao]

Lol take a chill pill brah it’s just the internet.

I’m pretty sure the mod will read this eventually and give their decision. I’ve made my points and stand by them.

Peace.

 

[EqualinHim]

To me, the Charlie Gard case is heartbreaking. He should at least be given a chance with the experimental treatment. I can concede and say that it would be good to let him go if the experimental treatment didn’t work, but he should at least be given every realistic chance. I think that it’s very scary that a state could take over and make decisions like this that affect the life of someone else’s child.

 

[Kaninchen]

To me, the Charlie Gard case is heartbreaking. He should at least be given a chance with the experimental treatment. I can concede and say that it would be good to let him go if the experimental treatment didn’t work, but he should at least be given every realistic chance. I think that it’s very scary that a state could take over and make decisions like this that affect the life of someone else’s child.

Could you explain, giving detail where possible, where a ‘state’ has taken over?

 

[masondoggy]

To me, the Charlie Gard case is heartbreaking. He should at least be given a chance with the experimental treatment. I can concede and say that it would be good to let him go if the experimental treatment didn’t work, but he should at least be given every realistic chance. I think that it’s very scary that a state could take over and make decisions like this that affect the life of someone else’s child.

I think that’s what the parents intentions are. Try this last ditch treatment and if it doesn’t work, let him go. They have the GOD given right as his parents to make that decision about his treatment plan.

 

[EqualinHim]

I think that’s what the parents intentions are. Try this last ditch treatment and if it doesn’t work, let him go. They have the GOD given right as his parents to make that decision about his treatment plan.

Yes, it is. I have friends with babies this age and this case scares them. That being said, sometimes it is merciful to let someone go but that should always be the family’s decision that is made in conjunction with good, solid medical advice. I’m going to tell you my own family’s experience with heartbreaking life/death decisions. About a year ago, my grandmother had a ruptured aneurysm. She happened to be out on her porch when it happened. Her neighbors saw her lying on the porch and called 911 immediately. The paramedics arrived and started CPR. They were able to get her heart working. They brought her to the hospital where tests revealed the problem. They also discovered massive brain damage. If treatment was continued, she would’ve likely remained in a vegetative state. I also think she was unable to breathe on her own. My aunt and uncle got to the hospital and were faced with the difficult decision of whether or not to seek further treatment. They made the decision to end her life. In that respect, I then realized that switching off life support can be one of the most compassionate things that you can do for a person at the end. It brought me peace to know that her wishes were respected at the end regarding life support. She was also given a proper Catholic funeral with a wake, funeral mass, and committal (which also honored her wishes). But before my family withdrew life support, they consulted with several doctors who evaluated her extensively. The doctors told them the facts and their recommendations but stepped aside to let the family make the decision. She was allowed to have a dignified end this way. From what I gleaned from my relatives, when my family members arrived at the hospital they were given privacy and respect. That should be the standard of care.

 

[rose_kelly]

Here is the response from the Great Ormand Street Hospital following the Court ruling.
gosh.nhs.uk/news/latest-press-releases/gosh-response-charlie-gard-high-court-ruling-today

And another compassionate statement from Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia president of the Pontifical Academy for Life.
catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/06/30/bishops-offer-prayers-to-parents-of-terminally-ill-charlie-gard/

 

[DeniseNY]

Here is the response from the Great Ormand Street Hospital following the Court ruling.
gosh.nhs.uk/news/latest-press-releases/gosh-response-charlie-gard-high-court-ruling-today

And another compassionate statement from Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia president of the Pontifical Academy for Life.
catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/06/30/bishops-offer-prayers-to-parents-of-terminally-ill-charlie-gard/

Here’s the Pope’s statement from today:

Pope Francis backs parents in UK’s Charlie Gard drama

cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/07/02/pope-francis-backs-parents-uks-charlie-gard-drama/

 

[masondoggy]

Yes, it is. I have friends with babies this age and this case scares them. That being said, sometimes it is merciful to let someone go but that should always be the family’s decision that is made in conjunction with good, solid medical advice. I’m going to tell you my own family’s experience with heartbreaking life/death decisions. About a year ago, my grandmother had a ruptured aneurysm. She happened to be out on her porch when it happened. Her neighbors saw her lying on the porch and called 911 immediately. The paramedics arrived and started CPR. They were able to get her heart working. They brought her to the hospital where tests revealed the problem. They also discovered massive brain damage. If treatment was continued, she would’ve likely remained in a vegetative state. I also think she was unable to breathe on her own. My aunt and uncle got to the hospital and were faced with the difficult decision of whether or not to seek further treatment. They made the decision to end her life. In that respect, I then realized that switching off life support can be one of the most compassionate things that you can do for a person at the end. It brought me peace to know that her wishes were respected at the end regarding life support. She was also given a proper Catholic funeral with a wake, funeral mass, and committal (which also honored her wishes). But before my family withdrew life support, they consulted with several doctors who evaluated her extensively. The doctors told them the facts and their recommendations but stepped aside to let the family make the decision. She was allowed to have a dignified end this way. From what I gleaned from my relatives, when my family members arrived at the hospital they were given privacy and respect. That should be the standard of care.

Oh I completely agree that usually turning off life support is the most compassionate decision. But if the next of kin, especially parents, have every right to seek second opinions and pursue different treatment plans before pulling the plug. And parents absolutely have every right to have their child moved to whatever medical facility they choose that’s willing to take them without the courts getting involved! This is what makes me angry about this case. They won’t even let them bring him home to die. This is so wrong!

 

[rose_kelly]

Here’s the Pope’s statement from today:

Pope Francis backs parents in UK’s Charlie Gard drama

cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/07/02/pope-francis-backs-parents-uks-charlie-gard-drama/

I don’t think the Pope’s statement recalibrates what the Archbishop previously stated.

 

[graciew]

Could you explain, giving detail where possible, where a ‘state’ has taken over?

I believe she means the case got to Court,and parents lost appeal
Judiciary,one of the three branches of the powers of a State:Executive,Legislative and Judiciary.

 

[graciew]

But that a Hospital comes to wrestle with the parents about their baby ,that is upsetting to say the least…
If the baby is as they say in their terminal stages, couldn t the hospital facilitate the technical to transfer the child to the parents so they can give him the last chance in US?
I imagine the possibility of bringing treatment from US to the baby wasn t possible and was evaluated…
Regardless of what one would do,the baby has parents …

 

[ChurchSoldier]

The case is about parental rights. I wonder if the parents could apply for emergency political refugee status in the US to bring him over claiming imminent danger from the European government.

 

[graciew]

The case is about parental rights. I wonder if the parents could apply for emergency political refugee status in the US to bring him over claiming imminent danger from the European government.

Not even the petition of placing the baby in their arms to die at home with his family has been granted…
What is this?

 

[StudentMI]

Here’s the Pope’s statement from today:

Pope Francis backs parents in UK’s Charlie Gard drama

cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/07/02/pope-francis-backs-parents-uks-charlie-gard-drama/

Too little too late.

This whole case is eugenics reborn. The weak die. The weak have to die. Has anyone noticed the popularity of jokes about ‘not breeding’ that people make when it comes to discussing the poor and ‘lesser’ among us? This is eugenics. But the liberals can’t phrase it that way because of the racist taint of eugenics. And the right won’t term it eugenics because they are ‘religious.’ But it is eugenics. So eugenics reigns. Kill the weak and let the strong survive. The T4 program forever.

[Please do not for the love of God think I am condoning this mindset. If anything can be called satanic in this world it is the eugenic mindset.]

 

[jman507]

Some where and some how the staff or administration totally messed up this relationship with the parents. I really hope some parental advocacy groups will get to come in to review the case.

They are dealing with the parents of a baby. It is difficult to try to explain why this complicates things. The best I can do is say the losses and grief layers on top of each other. They need to take into consideration the ethics of the way the deal with parents. I have yet to read any consideration on that, only the ethics child.

As much as I may agree to some extent with the decision of the hospital refusing treatment. I have not like the apparent cold dealings with the parents. I just with they could move him home or to hospice so they can leave that hospital. If I was those parents I would be numb, frustrated, angry, and sad. To face your baby son dying, but to be continually slapped down by doctors, admistrators, and judges. You know Psalm 22 in your bones.

Since I had to make the decision to pull the vent on my son Blaise last March, I have a whole new perspective on this. I know a lot more people who have experienced miscarriages, stillborn, and infant death. Their experience is real to me. I cannot judge what any parent does, even if I don’t agree with it.

 

[St_Francis]

Some where and some how the staff or administration totally messed up this relationship with the parents. I really hope some parental advocacy groups will get to come in to review the case.

They are dealing with the parents of a baby. It is difficult to try to explain why this complicates things. The best I can do is say the losses and grief layers on top of each other. They need to take into consideration the ethics of the way the deal with parents. I have yet to read any consideration on that, only the ethics child.

As much as I may agree to some extent with the decision of the hospital refusing treatment. I have not like the apparent cold dealings with the parents. I just with they could move him home or to hospice so they can leave that hospital. If I was those parents I would be numb, frustrated, angry, and sad. To face your baby son dying, but to be continually slapped down by doctors, admistrators, and judges. You know Psalm 22 in your bones.

Since I had to make the decision to pull the vent on my son Blaise last March, I have a whole new perspective on this. I know a lot more people who have experienced miscarriages, stillborn, and infant death. Their experience is real to me. I cannot judge what any parent does, even if I don’t agree with it.

BEST comment here.

I agree, and some experience with this myself. All too often, medical personnel, not just doctors, think too highly of their skills, or else they get impatient to move things along.

I imagine all the “noise” of doctors and court cases have left these poor parents unable to have a chance to collect themselves. There needs to be some “silence” so that people have the chance to assimilate everything that’s going on, to take in all the information.

Maybe just lay out the situation and not immediately jump in with: so we think you ought to… (not saying this happened in this case).

My sympathies about your son; I can think of no worse experience.

 

[MaryT777]

Some where and some how the staff or administration totally messed up this relationship with the parents. I really hope some parental advocacy groups will get to come in to review the case.

They are dealing with the parents of a baby. It is difficult to try to explain why this complicates things. The best I can do is say the losses and grief layers on top of each other. They need to take into consideration the ethics of the way the deal with parents. I have yet to read any consideration on that, only the ethics child.

As much as I may agree to some extent with the decision of the hospital refusing treatment. I have not like the apparent cold dealings with the parents. I just with they could move him home or to hospice so they can leave that hospital. If I was those parents I would be numb, frustrated, angry, and sad. To face your baby son dying, but to be continually slapped down by doctors, admistrators, and judges. You know Psalm 22 in your bones.

Since I had to make the decision to pull the vent on my son Blaise last March, I have a whole new perspective on this. I know a lot more people who have experienced miscarriages, stillborn, and infant death. Their experience is real to me.** I cannot judge what any parent does, even if I don’t agree with it.**

I am so sorry to hear about the loss and situation surrounding your son, Blaise. May he rest in peace. Thank you for your post from someone who’s been in a similar situation and your last line is so eloquent about judging what any parent does.

God bless,

Mary.

 

[DeniseNY]

Some where and some how the staff or administration totally messed up this relationship with the parents. I really hope some parental advocacy groups will get to come in to review the case.

They are dealing with the parents of a baby. It is difficult to try to explain why this complicates things. The best I can do is say the losses and grief layers on top of each other. They need to take into consideration the ethics of the way the deal with parents. I have yet to read any consideration on that, only the ethics child.

As much as I may agree to some extent with the decision of the hospital refusing treatment. I have not like the apparent cold dealings with the parents. I just with they could move him home or to hospice so they can leave that hospital. If I was those parents I would be numb, frustrated, angry, and sad. To face your baby son dying, but to be continually slapped down by doctors, admistrators, and judges. You know Psalm 22 in your bones.

Since I had to make the decision to pull the vent on my son Blaise last March, I have a whole new perspective on this. I know a lot more people who have experienced miscarriages, stillborn, and infant death. Their experience is real to me. I cannot judge what any parent does, even if I don’t agree with it.

I’m so sorry you and your family went through that.

 

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