Victim Soul

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Hello all,

Every day I learn something, and every day I have another question or two!

Today, I have come across the concept of the ‘Victim Soul’ for the first time. I believe it is not an official term in the Roman Catholic Church. This explanation is not my own:

*The concept is described by one theologian as a soul or person “chosen by God to suffer more than most people during life, and who generously accepts the suffering in union with the Savior and after the example of Christ’s own Passion and Death.” *

This has left me puzzled. As it says in John 1:29 :-

The next day, John saw Jesus coming to him, and he saith: Behold the Lamb of God, behold him who taketh away the sin of the world.

Why are people still being chosen to suffer in this manner, if forgiveness of our sins was confirmed on the day of Christ’s own death?
 
Hello all,

Every day I learn something, and every day I have another question or two!

Today, I have come across the concept of the ‘Victim Soul’ for the first time. I believe it is not an official term in the Roman Catholic Church. This explanation is not my own:

*The concept is described by one theologian as a soul or person “chosen by God to suffer more than most people during life, and who generously accepts the suffering in union with the Savior and after the example of Christ’s own Passion and Death.” *

This has left me puzzled. As it says in John 1:29 :-

The next day, John saw Jesus coming to him, and he saith: Behold the Lamb of God, behold him who taketh away the sin of the world.

Why are people still being chosen to suffer in this manner, if forgiveness of our sins was confirmed on the day of Christ’s own death?
This kind of suffering is salvific in union with Christ’s sufferings. Some biblical references for you: quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=sufferings&restrict=New+Testament&size=First+100.

St. Paul could be termed a Victim Soul since he endured many more sufferings than most of us ever will, crowned with martyrdom. While Christ’s redemptive death satisfied the justice of God, we suffer in union with Christ to bring about the salvation of the world. Redemption is what Christ accomplished in order that we might be saved. The saved part is ongoing, which is why sufferings can be offered in union with the sufferings of Christ, and why some are called to be Victim Souls. I hope that helps.
 
Isn’t it interesting that you came across this topic of interest on the feast day of the greatest Doctor of the Church, St. John of the Cross. His writings will explain everything–but I would suggest that you read the translation by Susan Muto.
 
I believe that St Pio of Pietrelcina could be considered such, as well.
 
…Why are people still being chosen to suffer in this manner, if forgiveness of our sins was confirmed on the day of Christ’s own death?
This is a really good question .👍

For our suffering to have any value at all, it needs to be offered to God (I can’t readily admit to being able to always offer all my sufferings to God yet personally:blush: ).

Suffering itself is a very personal thing, hence not such an easy subject to deal with; and much of suffering remains a mystery. I have an audio transcript of one of Bishop Fulton Sheen’s talks. On the tape, he laments the fact that when he was visiting a seminary, he had asked the seminarians if they thought that a priest should also be a victim … and almost all of them answered in the negative.

But that is exactly what Christ was – Priest and Victim.

Most of us (myself included) tend to shy away from the idea of additional suffering.

I found the following quote from Bishop Sheen
here

“God breathes on man in his joys; he whispers in conscience; He speaks in his troubles, and he shouts in his pain. Suffering is too great a mystery to fully comprehend its meaning; its understanding demands a loftiness of soul and surrender of spirit which few are prepared to make.”

~ Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, Way to Inner Peace, Crest Books, Fawcett World Library, March, 1959, p.45

That site also supplies a link to this provocative post entitled What The Saints Have to Say About – Suffering

After Jesus Himself, it is our Blessed Mother who suffered the most; in particular at the foot of the Cross. The very holy thing about our Blessed Mother’s suffering is that it was flawlessly united to Christ’s suffering. Sin is what separates us from God and Mary had no sin, so her suffering was intimately and perfectly united to the suffering of Christ – her offering became enfolded in her Son’s offering on Calvary.

One element of a victim soul is it shares a particular intimacy with God . At the same time, we should try to grasp the fact that our Blessed Lord is not limited in what He wishes to share with us.
Consider the prayer the priest says during the preparation of the gifts during Mass. When he mixes a small amount of water with the wine he says: “By the mystery of this water and wine, may we come to share in the divinity of Christ who humbled himself to share in our humanity.”

Christ doesn’t just want to forgive us and redeem us – He even wants to give us a share of His divinity. That in itself is mind boggling. Here are the two verses from Romans 8 [16-17] which lead up to Romans 8:18 (linked by Della in post # 2) :

"The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him. "

When our sufferings are united to Christ’s sufferings, they take on a redemptive value which can benefit our brothers and sisters in the Mystical Body of Christ.

What happened to Christ beginning with the Agony in the Garden through to His Crucifixion and death is called His Passion… sometimes referred to as the** exterior sacrifice** . It identifies with Christ the Victim.

What Christ did with His Passion – offering it to God for our salvation, is called His Action … sometimes referred to as the interior sacrifice. It identifies with Christ the Priest.
… That would seem to be congruent with Bishop Sheen’s thinking that priests were also victims … wouldn’t it ?

Additionally noteworthy is what happens when a Catholic receives the Sacrament of the Sick / Anointing of the Sick : There are four main effects of the sacrament. One of those effects is that the sick person’s sufferings are united to Christ’s own Passion.

**CCC 1521 **: Union with the passion of Christ.
By the grace of this sacrament the sick person receives the strength and the gift of uniting himself more closely to Christ’s Passion: in a certain way he is consecrated to bear fruit by configuration to the Savior’s redemptive Passion. Suffering, a consequence of original sin, acquires a new meaning; it becomes a participation in the saving work of Jesus.

🙂
 
Thanks for the all the replies, they have been a great help as always! Another question I can strike out!!!
 
In a physical world there are bound to be some people who suffer far more than others - those who are born blind, crippled, deformed, diseased or poverty-stricken. They are victims just as much as those who are oppressed, persecuted, enslaved, tortured or murdered. All who suffer can inspire us with their faith and courage because they are closer to our suffering Lord. He feels what they feel and shares their pain and anguish.

We are all victims because we all have to suffer and die. Jesus came to show us that suffering and death are not evils which destroy the meaning and value of life but the only way we can fully demonstrate our love for Him and one another. People object to the idea of sacrifice but it is at the heart of existence. The folly of the world is the belief that the more we obtain the happier we shall be. In reality the more we give the more we receive. As St John of the Cross said, seek nothing and you will have everything! Like Jesus the apparent failures are the successes and the victims are the victors… 🙂
 
Once when I was belly aching about some suffering in the form of frustration, I was demanding an explanation. If God was Santa in a shopping complex, I was the kid kicking him in the knee to get what I wanted.

I forget now what the book or publication was, but my eyes were drawn towards the words on the page … “Your suffering heals others…”.

The trouble is that we can’t see how our suffering heals others. All we’re aware of is the frustration, or pain, or humiliation, or whatever. But it appears that in some strange spiritual way, our suffering can heal others.

This principle would by extension operate in all Christian lives. But some suffer far more than others. I would assume they finally receive a greater reward than others in their turn. When Christ’s disciples were arguing about who would sit on His right and left, He drew their attention to the suffering that would involve.

Don’t ask me to explain it though. But then, how did Christ’s suffering and death destroy the power of death? We constantly talk about it, but I doubt if there is a single person who could explain how it works.
 
Why are people still being chosen to suffer in this manner, if forgiveness of our sins was confirmed on the day of Christ’s own death?
The Lord atoned for sin, but did not remove suffering, as it is through suffering that we are truly joined to Him. Through suffering we are in the Garden. Through suffering we are scourged, crowned with thorns, walk the via Dolorosa, and hang on the Cross. In Luke 9:23, Jesus said
“If any man would follw me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, then come, follow me”.
The only consolation to be found in taking up the cross is that Jesus suffered and died for us upon it. It remains for us, as it was for our Lord, pure suffering.

There is the example of Peter and the Apostles being flogged at the hand of the Sanhedrin for proclaiming Christ’s name (Acts 5:40-41). They rejoiced at being found worthy to suffer for His name. To follow Christ is not to avoid suffering, but to bear suffering for an ultimate and eternal purpose.

Consider also what our Lord told Ananias in relation to Saul of Tarsus’ conversion (Acts 9:13-16 - bolding mine):
"Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.” But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
This was the resurrected, glorified and ascended Jesus speaking from His seat at the Father’s right hand. Paul’s suffering was his penance, even though his sins were forgiven at his Baptism (Acts 9:18). Note that the Lord’s wording (“chosen” “suffer”) are identical to those in your question.

These are examples of Catholic doctrine in scripture that are found to be hiding in plain sight.
 
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