Video of two Jehovah’s Witness Elders announcing a Wrongdoer that he is Disfellowship

[RCCDefender]

Well, I don’t think it’s such a bad thing. Of course I’m not the person it’s happening to, but if shunning makes them less likely to return to that cult I say, “hooray!” Now lets just pray that he will find the True Church of Christ!

I’m mean, aren’t I???

 

[MyPhilomena]

Well, I don’t think it’s such a bad thing. Of course I’m not the person it’s happening to, but if shunning makes them less likely to return to that cult I say, “hooray!” Now lets just pray that he will find the True Church of Christ!

I’m mean, aren’t I???

no your not… your telling the truth. yes, the shunning in that respect is good… but as alot of ex witnesses will relate to you, it is also painful because of the way they go about it. they are not allowed to talk to friends or family, and that as they can tell you is really devastating to the ones who are shunned. they do not have a right to state to the loved ones of the shunned that they cannot talk to that person anymore because he/she is not wlecomed anymore. Do not people have a right to speak with their loved ones? Who is the watchtower to tell members that they risk eternal damnation if they assocaite with a shunned member? this is really cruel, and i have witnessed it first hand. i have seen what it does to members of the shunned one. they are torn apart. it is sad that the falsetower does this to their own members! follow the governing body or else! that is blackmail is it not? you have to actually be there to see what i mean. its easy to make a comment about it but not so easy for those who have seen it in practice. as the saying goes, seeing is believing.

 

[luv4mary]

RCCDefender is Right On the Money!,.,

Now that this man is shunned he can now search for the Real Truth of Faith and possibly come Home. His head and heart now being Free to finally hear the whispers of the Holy Spirit leading him home.

 

[MyPhilomena]

RCCDefender is Right On the Money!,.,

Now that this man is shunned he can now search for the Real Truth of Faith and possibly come Home. His head and heart now being Free to finally hear the whispers of the Holy Spirit leading him home.

in that respect, yes he is quite correct, and so are you. the point i tried to make is that the falsetower hurts people when they do this, even if it is good. in certain situations, it is devastating to the one who is shunned for reasons stated above, but obviously for getting out, it is good.

 

[Mimi]

The man holding the camera, Pat, states he is making a documentary for a specific purpose;The Authoritarian Tactics of High Control Groups. The JW (I guess he’s an Elder) who does most of the talking doesn’t speak with any authority; says “okay” quietly after some pronouncements. Pat seems to be comfortable and in control of the situation. The Elder isn’t put off by the camera, but when he goes to quote from Scripture, he has to read it, doesn’t even have it memorized. I would not judge his knowledge of scripture, it seems to me if an authority of the sect would show more preparedness in this situation. Maybe this was his first situation in which he was to prove himself.

Pat responds with “That’s interesting” several times; once after being told he was sent a letter he never received. Don’t the Elders know about sending important letters Registered Mail to ensure the recipient receives it? I get the impression maybe Pat wasn’t in JW very long; can’t tell from the video, and I have to wonder if he was there just to collect data. I also noticed the man in the background with the white hair doesn’t say much.

I did try to talk with a JW who came to my door once, but they will not listen, they only talk, ask questions like What is God’s Name, as if this is The Question of the Moment and indispensable to one’s Faith. My heart sank when he admitted he was Catholic; I so wanted to find out from which parish. I pray for him to come back!

Mimi

 

[luv4mary]

Yes MyPhilomena, how correct you are in that. The emotional pain of being shunned by family and friends is very tramatic, just ask many converts.

Lets just pray that the man in the story and others like him will not turn their hearts and minds against God, but will unite their pain and suffer to the Cross of Jesus and experience the healing power of our Awesome God:thumbsup:

 

[RCCDefender]

Yes MyPhilomena, how correct you are in that. The emotional pain of being shunned by family and friends is very tramatic, just ask many converts.

Lets just pray that the man in the story and others like him will not turn their hearts and minds against God, but will unite their pain and suffer to the Cross of Jesus and experience the healing power of our Awesome God:thumbsup:

Yep!!!

 

[MyPhilomena]

Yep!!!

 

[Pug]

it is worth the time to look at it. It is unbelievable that when the man who is being disfellowshipped goes to get information for them they leave.

He went to get two questions for them. He wanted them to help him with his documentary by answering them. It really isn’t surprising to me that church members who were there for a serious, specific purpose didn’t wish to participate in a documentary at that time. I don’t think they are in any way obligated to do so. The whole camera thing seemed odd. I would have left as well once I had completed the purpose of the visit (which I assume the two JWs had done).

That is how that particular element came off to me, based on one viewing.

 

[MyPhilomena]

obviously they left because they felt their job was done, but when they were asked to wait a moment, the courteous thing to do would to be give the guy the opportunity to get his questions, and try to answer them before they hike it.

If i was the guy taping, i would have had my questions right in my hand. i think pat knew they were coming, otherwise how would he have had the camera ready? perhaps he just turned it on real quick when they knocked and he asked who it was, and was unprepared for their arrival as he claims he did not get a letter?

also, he should’ve had his questions assuming he got a sudden knock on the door, right next to his door or near his camera. one will never know, and one will always speculate about it.

as for the witnesses sending out letters, that is not to my knowledge. they usually go to ones home and see if they are home at the time they want to disfellowship one. iam unaware of the practice of a letter, unless they have this policy in effect and i was not told. either way, if they were to send him a letter if it was their policy, then they should’ve done that.

perhaps jeff schwehm can shed some light on this? he’ll lilely see this post and comment, so if he does see it, i hope jeff can shed some light on the disfellowshipping process. thanks jeff incase you do respond, or see this post.

i witnessed a girl being disfellowshipped, first, she was “marked” then when she refused to comply, she was disfellowshipped and cut off from her family. how surprised she was when a few years later, i ran across her on a corner of a street she had been about to cross, and i said hi to her! i told her i had left the organization and she smiled at me, as she was busy, she said good. i said, yes it is. we went our separate ways.

i spoke to 2 ladies who had left the organization, and they were glad that they had left. they were also known to me when they were witnesses. they were pretty surprised as well when i told them i had left.

shunning can have a good effect, such as the real search for God.but also, it can have a devastating effect. usually, in the case of some, they have been raised witnesses, and they find out the truth about the organization, some in that case are relieved to leave, others are not. for this is all they had ever known, and suddenly they are out on their own in the cold so to speak.

they feel like they have no where to turn. some of them even wont go near any topic related to God for a long time. but, when they find they find the truth, then they have their life back, only better. look at how many amazing conversion stories there are! look at Jeff’s site! the one that struck me the most was a conversion story of a woman i believe her name is denise.

as for shunning, Lawrence Hughes was hurt terribly by the organization, and he is doing amazingly well now. I pray for him alot and hope that he wins his court case against the falsetower!

 

[Belcanto]

Hmm… too long to post in the headline! should’ve read disfellowshipped.

Video of two Jehovah’s Witness Elders announcing a Wrongdoer that he is Disfellowshipped

watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/page/2/

If you have problems viewing it, go page 2 of the website:

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it is worth the time to look at it. It is unbelievable that when the man who is being disfellowshipped goes to get information for them they leave. Take a look at it, and tell us what you all think of it.

Iam against their shunning of their members as it is a form of punishment (which they state it is not punishment, but it is )

For some reason, I’m having doubts about the authenticity of this video. Wasn’t it convenient that the two Witnesses just happened to walk up to his door when he was filming his documentary? He must have known that they were coming, in which case he was lying about not being informed of his being disfellowshipped. Or the whole thing was staged, which seems much more likely. Just my opinion.

Pax Tecum,
Jay

 

[MyPhilomena]

For some reason, I’m having doubts about the authenticity of this video. Wasn’t it convenient that the two Witnesses just happened to walk up to his door when he was filming his documentary? He must have known that they were coming, in which case he was lying about not being informed of his being disfellowshipped. Or the whole thing was staged, which seems much more likely. Just my opinion.

Pax Tecum,
Jay

the partof the elders showing up at the door is not staged. they would never consent definitely not in cahoots with him. i know that belief to well. 7 years out of it does not change what i know.

 

[Belcanto]

the partof the elders showing up at the door is not staged. they would never consent definitely not in cahoots with him. i know that belief to well. 7 years out of it does not change what i know.

But is it not possible that they were not actually Witness elders, but actors instead? Like I said, the way it unfolds seems too convenient to be real. Just my opinion.

Pax Tecum,
Jay

 

[MyPhilomena]

But is it not possible that they were not actually Witness elders, but actors instead? Like I said, the way it unfolds seems too convenient to be real. Just my opinion.

Pax Tecum,
Jay

i’ll write to the owner of the site and see what he has to say about it.

 

[mommyaprilj]

All this talk about Catholic excommunication…do you know of any Catholic that has been excommunicated in your lifetime? In your parents’ lifetime? In your grandparents’ lifetime?

Paul

As a matter of fact, there is a man alive TODAY, who has been excommunicated, and YOU know of him.

His name is Fidel Castro.

 

[Pug]

as for the witnesses sending out letters, that is not to my knowledge. they usually go to ones home and see if they are home at the time they want to disfellowship one. iam unaware of the practice of a letter, unless they have this policy in effect and i was not told. either way, if they were to send him a letter if it was their policy, then they should’ve done that.

I wondered about the letter thing myself. Maybe the letters were just to try to get him to come to the meetings and weren’t letters to disfellowship him?

 

[catsrus]

I know a person who was disfellowshipped.
He was sent a couple letters telling him to come to a meeting with the elders to discuss his behavior. (he’d joined the Air Force - a HUGE no-no)
He did not go, knowing what was in store.
Third time, they came to his house and brought a letter of disfellowshippment (?).
His jw mother and brother refused to have anything to do with him thereafter. They said his uniform was “demonized”.
It was awful.

 

[Rawb]

For some reason, I’m having doubts about the authenticity of this video. Wasn’t it convenient that the two Witnesses just happened to walk up to his door when he was filming his documentary? He must have known that they were coming, in which case he was lying about not being informed of his being disfellowshipped. Or the whole thing was staged, which seems much more likely. Just my opinion

I got the feeling that the man behind the camera had planned all this, from the begining. I think he joined “the organization” with the intent of getting disfellowshipped. Either that or he had been struggling with them for a while and decided that he had had enough, but wa still planning it. I think he did expect them to come and had the camera ready. He may have even got the letters. Just his attitude through the whole thing.

 

[MyPhilomena]

I know a person who was disfellowshipped.
He was sent a couple letters telling him to come to a meeting with the elders to discuss his behavior. (he’d joined the Air Force - a HUGE no-no)
He did not go, knowing what was in store.
Third time, they came to his house and brought a letter of disfellowshippment (?).
His jw mother and brother refused to have anything to do with him thereafter. They said his uniform was “demonized”.
It was awful.

that kind of tacky comment is what i experienced all the time, minus the demon thing, but those type of comments are what one can expect from them.

 

[MyPhilomena]

I got the feeling that the man behind the camera had planned all this, from the begining. I think he joined “the organization” with the intent of getting disfellowshipped. Either that or he had been struggling with them for a while and decided that he had had enough, but wa still planning it. I think he did expect them to come and had the camera ready. He may have even got the letters. Just his attitude through the whole thing.

true because there is something that reeks foul in the video… i also think he claimed not to have gotten the letter, because i sent a letter to the congregation elders when i left, and they promptly showed up on my doorstep. i think they had told the ex they were coming, as soon as i seen them, i was not surprised at all. it was a civil disfellowshipping, with the usual line attached to it, you risk eternal damnation by your actions, and you know the consequences of leaving the organization, and i said yes, i do, but this is not for me, so have a good day and take care, exct.